Mass. governor vs. same-sex parents on birth certificate wording

AJ, Uncle Roger, L, Dutch - keep up the good posts. I'm enjoying the debate. :)

I just wanted to chime in and give my two cents.

Robert/Daniel,

Gays and Lesbians are not trying to destroy "traditional family values" just because they want to change things. Please, give me a break already. There will ALWAYS be straight people getting married and having children. It isn't like we are all going to be "infected" by the "evil sinner homosexuals" who are "brainwashing" our children to not desire people of the opposite sex; which in turn leads to the human species to die out from lack of male/female procreation....

I don't mean to be crude here, and I know that you didn't say these over-the-top comments, but these are generaly the things I hear from others who give your type of arguments against gay rights. I just don't see what you have to feel threatened about. Even if you believe that children idealy need both mothers and fathers; wouldn't you agree that they are better off with a loving same sex family than a single parent family; or a two parent family where one of the parents is always "away" or "distant" or "abusive"; or living in foster care? Just curious...

As for the birth certificate goes, I think it should include the biological parents.... maybe it can have more than 2 names with notations of who is "biologically related" and who is "parent"?.... hmmmm

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Melanie,

Apparently, you didn't read what my argument was.
If your argument is, what's best for children, then children need both mom and dad, the facts support this, it has nothing to do with being pro-gay, or anti-gay.
Would it be better in some cases for a gay couple to be parents, sure, their are a lot children who need a loving environment. Do I think that we should encourage people to "create" families with the aid of science, NO! All this is, is producing "gay rights", it has nothing to do with what's best for children.
This is what I am saying, AJ, Dutch, Uncle Roger,L,Jay all have accused me of other things, which reflect their own beliefs, and have nothing to do with me, or what I believe.

I like both your suggestion, and Terry's, for the birth certificate names.

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In response to eg post 12:

Just because people have already made the mistake of emotionalising a document of scientific fact. Doesn't mean that it should be compounded.

The birth certificate is a record of the biological origins of a child. It should contain identification details for the actual biological parents - by whatever means.

If people want to have a certificate of non-biological family grouping ... write your own. It's not the information that is required on a birth certificate.

Instead of trying to corrupt a scientific statement for political purposes. Why not petition hallmark to create a "family certificate" on which you can write the name of the adopted mum and canine partner (or whatever) if you want.

The birth cert should remain for the donors of biological material (sperm or other cell [to cover future cloning, which I'm against incidentally]; ovum or other cell; host body - which donated bloods, etc.).

Does this mean paternity tests should be performed? Only if you want to do maternity tests too to avoid hiding births via implanted ova [ovums?]. I think that such accuracy would be over the top given the mundane purposes of a birth cert.

FWIW I'm the father of an 8 week old boy - I'll leave it to you to imagine my sex, gender, sexual preference and biological participation.

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p - Write your own certificate? LOL Try getting your child enrolled in school or getting him a passport with that one! Look, if they want to create a 'parentage certificate' or something like that, which carries the same legal weight, then go for it, but as it stands, the birth certificate today is used for so much more... so until something else comes along, families of any orientation who adopt a child will still get an amended birth certificate for the identification they need... and by the way, a 'family certificate for the adopted mum and canine partner', was pretty tasteless, no matter what message you were trying to convey.

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