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Last night while walking with my son and his 8th grade class to a nearby pizza establishment, I fell into step with one of my son's peers. He said to me, "No offense, but I think you and Loren (my son) have an abnormal relationship. But really, no offense." Then he sauntered off to join the rest of the class. Huh. It was so out of the blue that I did not know what to say.Frankly, I was a bit offended at first. Then I thought it over and decided that although Loren and I are very close, it is not an abnormality. There have been times over his 13 year life when it has only been the two of us. I first left his father when he was 18 months-old, only to reunite with his dad when Loren was 3. I then left his father again and filed for divorce when Loren was 9. Now, at 13, he has lost his grandfather and I have left his father for the last time. I have always been the one to be with him through the upheavals, encouraging him to express his feelings and helping him to feel safe. We might be closer than some 13 year-old boys and their mothers, but it is likely because we have weathered quite a few storms together and we trust one another. The closeness will likely lessen in his upcoming years; it is a reality of adolescence. Though I do suspect , and hope, that we will share a life long connection.
I shared the exchange with my son's teacher and told her my thoughts on the matter; I believe this particular boy was inappropriate with his comment. I don't hold it against him, he has some behavior problems and struggles with appropriateness every day. His comment prompted me to think about my relationship with my son; ultimately it made me grateful for that relationship.
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10-25-2006 @ 7:56AM
Nina said...If by abnormal he means a close, loving relationship, then I'll take that any day!! Children just blurt things out sometimes without thinking. I hope that I'm as close with my kids when they're older. :)
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10-25-2006 @ 9:10AM
VL said...I think you need to remember that boys are not encouraged to be loving and kind, and boy's who are more nurturing are "mama's boys." When it comes to emotional vulnerability, society has very low expectations of boys, which is very sad. From what I gather from your posts, you and your son have a very close and caring relationship. That is abnormal in our culture, and also something to be envied. I wish more boys were encouraged to be loving.
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10-25-2006 @ 9:47AM
Nancy Toby said...This is your 13-year-old son who still sleeps in his mother's bed? Perhaps the friend was addressing that. Hard to say, but you have to admit it's a fairly unusual situation.
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10-25-2006 @ 9:52AM
ann adams said...He's parroting something he's heard without having a clue what he's talking about. I'm glad you reported it because that kind of talk has a way of taking wings and becoming very twisted.
I agree with VL (I usually do).
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10-25-2006 @ 10:26AM
Katie Spruill said...Hi. THis is my first Blog entry anywhere, but as a new mom i am very interested in this one. I have two things to say in regards to this blog. First, I wanted to address the comment left by Nancy T. I read this entry twice before i decided to reply and I dont see anywhere that she has stated that her 13 year old son and she sleep in the same bed together, if I'm wrong, plese tell me, but I don't undertand that entry at all. Second, as I said before I am a new mom, of an 18-month old son. I am also debating on leaving his father for several reasons, mainly due to temper problems, all I can say is that I applaude you for staying so close with your son through the ups and downs in life. Life is not a fair playing field for anyone, maybe the other boy doesn't have a very close relationship with either of his parents and just envys the relationship you and your son share. I agree with both VL and Ann! I love my son more than life itself. (I never thought I could love someone so much.) Keep doing everything you're doing Your son will grow up to be a much better man when the time comes for him to step up to the plate of fatherhood.
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10-25-2006 @ 11:01AM
Anna V. said...Katie, (if I may respond for Nancy in this matter), Heather has mentioned previously that she still has a family bed, which includes her 13yo son. If I was more ambitious, I'd find the entry, but it's there somewhere.
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10-25-2006 @ 11:12AM
greta said...Actually, I'm with Nancy on this one. I too remembered the earlier post about the family bed, and I definitely think that if any of Loren's friends know that he sleeps in his mom's bed, they will think it's "abnormal". I'm not necessarily saying that I think it's wrong - to each his own - but I don't think you can say that it's the norm, at least not in this country. I would be willing to bet that's at least in part what the kid was talking about.
I do agree with VL - and if I had a son, I would hope that he would be sensitive and loving. And it's great that you have a close relationship with Loren. Is Loren aware of the comment the boy made? I wonder if it might be a good idea to talk to him about it...
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10-25-2006 @ 1:20PM
Brenda said...Nothing wrong with being "abnormal", it just means not normal or average. Most of us are abnormal in some way or another.
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10-25-2006 @ 12:28PM
Ginny said...For what it's worth, I agree with Nancy about sleeping in the same bed with a teenage boy. Not that it matters what I think.
I bet that kid is jealous that you actually have a close relationship with your son. Did u see HIS mom participating in the event?
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10-25-2006 @ 1:35PM
Jessica said...I would agree with Ann Adams, that he is parroting what he has heard somewhere. Which leads me to believe that other children or other parents know that you and your adolescent son sleep in the same bed.
I don't see how you can take offense, though, like a PP said--abnormal just means not average. The average mother does not sleep with her teenage son. The boy is ultimately stating a reality--it is not "normal" to sleep with an opposite sex adolescent.
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10-25-2006 @ 1:58PM
Nancy Toby said...Yes, I didn't mean that there was anything necessarily wrong with sleeping in the same bed with your 13-year-old son, and probably the friend's use of the word "abnormal" was not very tactful, but if the son's peers are aware of this situation they are bound to find it highly unusual and make remarks about it, sooner or later.
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10-25-2006 @ 2:04PM
Nancy Toby said...Here's the original post, just for reference:
http://www.bloggingbaby.com/2006/09/20/does-the-family-be-ever-end/
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10-25-2006 @ 3:35PM
Christine said...Well... sometimes things need to be said and if he felt that it needed to be said because he was privvy to that information... then good. Im just in shock right now about the 13 year old in his mom's bed thing. I guess appropriate is in the eye of the beholder...
I really cant form an opinion -- except to say that if this is a lifelong sort of thing, he may have an issue in any future marriage.
Maybe your son talks about this stuff at school... or else why would there be an opinion at all?
What does he think?
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10-25-2006 @ 8:33PM
Heather said...FYI- The family bed post was more of my struggle to get my kids OUT of the bed, not an announcement to the world that this is what I like. I also stated that my children have been VERY traumatized in the past few months and they are sticking VERY close.
What I didn't include in the inappropriate comment post is that the boy who made the comment has deep issues with his own mother and I suspect he has issues with the closeness I share with Loren.
Again on that pesky family bed issue.... a number of the children, both boys and girls, from my son's class still venture to the family bed when in need. It is a small Waldorf school and fairly open to the whole sensitive parent thing. I have discussed this issue, and my frustrations, with the other parents. I am working on slowly "weaning" my kids from the bed -hopefully without hurting their feelings and wounding them for life. I'll likely write a post about it and share the progress or failures.
As always, thank you for the comments; they are helpful and lend insight.
Heather
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10-25-2006 @ 8:57PM
Nancy Toby said...Heather,
With all due respect, that's not what came across in the post just over a month ago about the "family bed". You said "Now that we live at my mother's they have not left the big bed even once" and "Other than the raised eyebrows of outsiders, I am pretty comfortable with the arrangement."
This sounds a lot like a raised eyebrow of an outsider.
I think a teenage boy can probably be told "Please sleep in your own bed" without, as you say, "wounding them for life".
If this is the kind of thing the peers say in public to the mother, you can be sure they're saying twenty times that to the son, and in much coarser language.
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10-25-2006 @ 9:08PM
J.D. said...be careful heather, the sharks smell blood now. . .
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10-25-2006 @ 11:44PM
Heather said...JD, Lordy, I guess so. Whew. You never know what will get people into an uproar.
Yes, I have been comfortable with the arrangement since we moved in with my mother. My kids have been through alot and have needed comfort. However, everyday is a new day, and lately? I've been feeling a tad bit cramped with two dogs, my kids and me all angling for a bit of room.
NT, I am sure I'll think of a way to gently urge my fledglings into their own sleeping spaces. And when I do, I'll post it up for some good reading fun.
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10-28-2006 @ 1:45PM
rebecca said...I remember going into my parents room at around 12 or 13 after waking up from a nightmare and my dad gently telling me I was getting to old for this and needed to be a mature example for my little sisters(they were 5 and 2). He suggested I make a pallet on the floor next to the bed (which sounds mean now, but I didn't take offense) and he held my hand until I fell back asleep. Looking back, I think he was wierded out by my developing body; this was right around the time we stopped wrestling around, too. I don't think I was wounded for life. I saw it as a part of growing up. I think middle school is a very transitional age and some kids outgrow the need of a parent's comforts faster than others and you do what feels "normal" for your family. While my son was at the his-head-hits-my-bosom-when-we-hug stage, he was very awkward and quick about hugging me. Now that he's reached the his-head-hits-my-shoulder-when-we-hug age, I get a lot more hugs from him. As an adolescent teacher, I think it is very normal for kids to vascillate between wanting to be a dependant child and being an independant teenager. Later, when I was in college, my dad died. For weeks (months?) afterwards my sisters (by now in 5th and 7th grades), my mom, and I all slept together in my parents' bed. It worked better than taking a valium and if anyone woke up crying, the rest of us were there to comfort her. Even now that I'm married with two boys, when my siters come over we still end up all sleeping in the same room, spread over couches and the floor. My husband just rolls his eyes at our slumber parties. You do what works for your family.
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10-26-2006 @ 11:07AM
Heather said...Rebecca,
Thanks for the support. It is so good to hear your experiences. This is an issue for my family right now. I want to be there for my kids in their time of need and grief while also being sensitive to where they are in their developmental stages.
It is always a process.
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10-26-2006 @ 12:37PM
Ginny said..."be careful heather, the sharks smell blood now. . ."
J.D., you come accross as a real smart ass. Not too sure I'm enjoying your return.
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