Are birth days more telling than we think?

Lord. Okay, for one the dates for the "signs" no longer match up with the heavenly constellations, secondly - what? I mean really, the dates have been off from the actual constellations for many hundred years - so how could such an ancient mythology really influence the birth day if its inaccurate...

Well, look at it this way - I am a scientist. Been interested in science and biology since grade school, steeped my learning in it. But the Mother Goose nursery rhyme about the days of the week a child is born gets me emotionally - becuase while my 2nd child was born at 11:58pm on a Tuesday, his birth certificate says Wednesday ("Tuesday's child is full of grace; Wednesday's child is full of woe"). His birth day is on a different day each year, and I don't believe in it anyway - but my heart and guts lurch when I think about it. And its stupid to think my 1st born on a Sunday will have no problems especially when he spent a night in the hospital last week, and has been hard to deal with since he thinks its the new normal to have a parent sleep in his bed.

I guess, what I'm saying, isn't the nursery rhyme just as true?

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Kristin, my two Geminis certainly fit their sign and the one on the Sagittarius/Scorpio cusp lies up to both of his.

I wonder if you and I have the same birthday. I'm on the cusp too - 4-19. If there's anything to astrology, I'm much more an Aries than a Taurus.

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My son is a Pisces, and he is a fish in every sense of the word. I can't keep him out of pools, baths, puddles, washing dishes... I can also see a lot of characteristics in him: he's very much a free spirit and carefree, NEEDS structure and hates criticism. But then, I share all those characteristics with him (I just cloned my personality for him) and I'm a Leo. (And I have a lot of Leo characteristics, too, that he doesn't seem to have. I'm way more stubborn than him.)

According to the Wikipedia articles, I should be incompatible with Pisces. My husband is a Gemini, which is semi-compatible with Leo but also incompatible with Pisces. Our poor kid. ;)

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My husband and I are BOTH Leos. Aug 8 and 12th, so no where near the cusp. Odd though, while we can both be aggressive, we are also introverts who shy away from attention. Our son is an Aquarius, who should have been a Leo. He is 10 months old and has spent the last few months yelling at me. No not yelling in general-AT ME. He is definetly the demanding, stubborn, attention-seeking aggressive type, but on the other hand, it seems like he won't take anyones crap-which I think is great.

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I honestly don't even know what my kid's sign is. I don't believe in astrology. Whenever, the rare times, I do look at horoscopes, any of them seems to apply to me as much as any other.

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Ok. There is a lot more to it than just being a Pisces (that's what I am.) In addition to your Sun sign you have a Rising sign and a Moon sign...there are many, many more but those 3 are the most influential. They are usually listed as Rising, Sun, Moon. So I am a Leo, Pisces, Leo. Your Sun sign is the most influential while the Rising & Moon signs play a supportive role. What does this all mean? Well, I have a lot of Pisces qualities but am not lacking in Leo qualities...I am flighty, emotional, and I go with the flow, but I also love to be the center of attention and have a small ego... If you were to check what all of your signs are I am sure you will see why people believe it so much... As to the horoscopes in the newspapers (they go by Sun sign,) they can't really cover all of each Sun sign's combinations so they are extremely general. Check out this website to find out what all of your signs are (it's free):

http://www.alabe.com/freechart/

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I'm a Leo, and have been told repeatedly that I don't fit ANY of the traditional characteristics (except for the fact that Leos tend to be creative).
I don't put much stock in astrology -- especially not since, when working for the school paper in high school, I was assigned the task of creating the horoscopes. I completely made them up, jotting down just whatever....and still had tons of people coming to me saying "Wow, you really hit the nail on the head, how'd you know????"

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LOL at Jenn's comment. I think when we read our horoscopes, we make connections to how it may fit in our lives. Nevertheless, I'm a sucker for Astrology and my son is a Leo, too. The description you gave sounds exactly like my son. I'm glad we have a last name that begins with a 'O' so that we could have my son's initials be: LEO. ;)

On another note, I'm Aquarius and all of their descriptions (free-spirit, independent, creative, etc.) sounds exactly like me. So maybe the astrology charts have some truth in them...

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We don't have kids yet but we're both Virgos (although I was 3 weeks late and have some Leo tendencies, which drives him nuts sometimes).

And we're both terrified of having kids that end up being Saggitarians, Geminis or Scorpios. :)

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Astrology is bunk, guys, sorry. You see what you want to see, because human beings are highly suggestible, and ignore what doesn't fit the pattern. Plus, characteristics of various signs are so vague that they could indeed fit anybody at a given moment. I sympathize with you for the swollen ankles in August, but your child is going to have a random set of genetic and environmental characteristics that will determine his or her personality. The movements of star and planetary systems billions of light years away will have absolutely nothing to do with it.

How can a two year old be "absurdly bossy"?--isn't that pretty much the definition of "two year old"? Don't they all want to be the center of attention? If you took a random group of people, did not reveal what their birth signs were, and had a group of "professional skilled astrologers" try to figure out what sign they were by their characteristics, you would get no consistent answers. Because astrology is bunk.

Personally, I am happy to know that the day/hour of my birth doesn't doom me to be one thing or the other.

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I do think there are some "trends" that hold true, but not to the extent that you can predict someone's life in detail.

I think there is a scientific explanation relating to gravity pulls of the heavenly bodies during the time when the brain is developing. I think that "scientists" think it's bunk because they didn't discover it first. Scientists think that about a lot of things that end up being true.

Just have fun with it. There's no harm in it, and at least it gives you something new to talk about in social situations.

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Yep, I think this is definitely a case of seeing what you *want* to see.

Just look at any of the traits for any of the signs. If you try, you can easily find ways to apply them to yourself. All toddlers are self centered, bossy, and passionate - but in your case, you`re attributing that to being a Leo, and not toddlerhood itself.

And how does this supposedly effect children born early? My son was supposed to be either a Virgo or Libra (Due date of 9/22), but ended up being born a Gemini. (Had to look those up, as I`d never really checked before!) I checked the whole list of "traits" and I can find an equal number that fit anyone from our family from all of them.

It seems like every culture has it`s own set, and the traits for each one are quite different. If this *really* had base in reality, they would all line up traitwise for the same dates. They don`t.

I don`t believe any of it.

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I just think that astrology is a self-fufilling prophecy. If the astrology charts said your child's sign was the loving and kind and creative you would say "yes, that is him!" too.

Both my kids were "bossy" at two and like to be the centre of attention - neither of them are a Leo. That is the nature of a toddler.

I bet he is not "absurdly" bossy really. Other kids are like that too, you just see yours all the time. Kids at that age are naturally asserting their independence.

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My Mom and sister are both Leos-one from the beginning of the month, one from middle/end. Both are shy, mild, accomadating people. Not attention seeking in any way! Horoscopes don't always fit.

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With a careful planing, you can have the type of children under the right astrological signs that you can handle. There is no point having a Leo child when you know Leos are bossy and you cannot handle him.
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