Measles making a comeback

Tough call Rog. Deaths from illnesses like measles and mumps had dropped by over 95% right before they came up with the vaccine. By not allowing the brain and the body to develop lifetime immunities to these sicknesses, we are interfering with what our bodies are designed to do.

The vaccines wear off and those who get these illnesses in adulthood usually contract a superbug version of it. (Esp. chicken pox!) Mothers no longer have the natural antibodies from surviving these illnesses to effectively protect their babies in the first year of life.

To the best of my knowledge, the tests on MMR were done or funded by drug companies who manufacture vaccines. Do I want my children to suffer? Of course not. But I don't think we fully have all the facts when so many big pharma companies have so much to gain financially.

I also don't understand how a baby who is not even allowed to have more than one food at a time, due to possible reaction, can be given seven vaccines at two months old. We know mercury is bad, we can get vaccines without mercury if we ask, but that is not what is widely injected into the masses. What gives?

There's a great book called Survival of the Sickest that talks about how human beings need to get sick in order to get stronger. I highly recommend it. In the end, when it comes to vaccinations, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. I also recommend Dr. Sears Vaccine Book which offers an alternate vaccination schedule to the one the HMOs and Public Health are pushing.

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Would you stop making false and misleading statements like "Of course, the experts have shown that those concerns are unwarranted and that the vaccine is safe."

If you recall, the study you so inaccurately refer to only proved that while some of the crap that used to go into vaccines are now used less often, autism cases have increased. While one might argue this proves that particular ingredient is not the ONLY cause of autism, it in no way proves that nothing in the MMR vaccine is a cause of autism for any subset of human beings.

And yes, autism is a lot worse than the measles. And I know parents who kick their own butts every day because they know in their hearts that it was the MMR vaccine that changed their child from a functioning being to a non-functioning, probably institution-bound being.

So you had your kids vaccinated on schedule - that's great, what do we care? Why must you use ParentDish as a constant outlet to "prove" to yourself and others that that was the only decision that could possibly be right for every child?

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And don't forget, yes, some ingredients were taken out of the vaccines BUT they were only replaced by other toxic substances. Fact of the matter is that vaccines NEED preservatives, mercury/thermisol is used as a preservative, it was replaced by another preservative. So basically they exchanged one toxin name with another toxin name.

So that explains why autism rates have not gone down.

But alas, others will manipulate info in order to 'proove' what they want - no matter how misleading it is.

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More helpful would be a discussion of the following:

Let's hear more about the people who actually contracted measles. The article said that they were mostly "travelling and religious communities where vaccine uptake has been historically low", but that small outbreaks still occur in day cares and schools, where the overwhelming majority ARE vaccinated.

Translation, the vaccines aren't 100% effective.

I would also like to hear about how the kids who did get measles fared afterwards. Did they have major complications, or just uncomfortable symptoms for a couple of weeks? Did they have access to (and seek out) good health care, or did they not? Did they get stronger and healthier after the illness (common for kids to experience growth and developmental spurts after a period of sickness).

That would be a far more profitable and educational discussion.

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Google amish and autism - interesting they don't vaccinate and there aren't any cases of autism. I agree with Carrie - lets hear more about the kids who have measles instead of making generalizations (take a look at the people dying from the bird flu - they work in terrible conditions and had predisposed health issues!).

And Roger - you might want to check out this link:
http://www.generationrescue.org/survey.html

Very interesting read! Maybe you can do a post on it! :)

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...and if chicken pox is what scared you, note this.

Chicken pox vaccine now needs a booster. And while you children will probably get regular booster shots, adults won't. My prediction is that we will have a lot more cases of adult onset chicken pox -- and pregnant women with chicken pox, and men with sterility issues due to chicken pox.

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It's easy. Vaccines are safer than not having vaccines. You tin-foil hats and your autism theories drive me nuts. Please, do go on leaving your children unvaccinated, who might even stay healthy ON THE BACKS of the rest of the population. Mortality might be low with these diseases, but the collateral damage is not.

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It is only because of the success of vaccinations that we can even be having this disucssion! Ask your grandparents what it was like to have kids in the days before this was a regular practice. Or go to an old cemetary and look at the gravestones of all the babies and young children. Our belief that all of our children will grow to adulthood is born of the success of vaccinations.
When you choose not to vaccinate your kids, you put other people at serious risk. Pregnant women, people with compromised immune systems and the elderly are just a few groups. Vaccinations aren't just about your child or mine - they're about public health.
And if it is true that childhood vaccines are the cause of the autism epidemic, why didn't autism increase significantly in the 40's, 50's, 60's, and 70's when childhood vaccinations first became wide-spread?

Here is information on the change of mortality rates and some historical perspective on life before vaccines:
Pertussis was a major cause of morbidity and mortality among infants and children in the United States during the prevaccine era (i.e., before the mid-1940s). Following the introduction and widespread use of whole-cell pertussis vaccine combined with diphtheria and tetanus toxoids (DTP) among infants and children in the late 1940s, the incidence of reported pertussis declined to a historic low of 1,010 cases in 1976

Diptheria: At one time, respiratory diphtheria was common, occurred primarily in children, and was one of the major causes of infant and child mortality in the United States. In the 1920's approximately 150,000 cases of diphtheria were reported annually (140 cases per 100,000 population). Only 33 cases of diphtheria were reported in the United States between 1981 and 1990. From the time data collection began, the case fatality rate of approximately 9% overall, and nearly 20% in those under five or over 40 years of age, has remained essentially unchanged.

Polio: Early in the 20th century polio would become the world's most feared disease. The disease hit without warning, tended to strike white, affluent individuals, required long quarantine periods during which parents were separated from children: it was impossible to tell who would get the disease and who would be spared. The consequences of the disease left polio victims marked for life, leaving behind vivid images of wheelchairs, crutches, leg braces, breathing devices, and deformed limbs

Tetanus is rare in the United States, with nearly all cases occurring in adults who were not vaccinated as children, or in those who have not had a booster vaccination in 10 years.
In the United States, there are between 50 and 100 reported cases of tetanus a year. About 30% of cases are fatal. Most people who die of tetanus infections are over 50 years old.
In the underdeveloped world, neonatal tetanus accounts for about one-half of tetanus deaths and is related to infection of the umbilical stump in a baby born of an unimmunized mother. Worldwide, 800,000 children die of tetanus each year.

Rubella infection in the first eight to ten weeks of pregnancy results in Congenital Rubella Syndrome in 90% of babies born.
Congenital Rubella Syndrome can result in babies being born with deafness, blindness, heart problems, brain damage and other serious problems.
Since the introduction of routine vaccination against rubella, reports of Congenital Rubella Syndrome have fallen by more than 90%, as have terminations of pregnancy because of rubella infection.
Statistics the world over show significant decrease in child mortality when vaccines are introduced. Moreover, many of these diseases that were considered all but completely gone are showing a resurgence because of parents NOT immunizing their kids.
How would you feel if someone else lost their baby or had a child with serious birth defects because YOUR child was a carrier? So, if you don't want to vaccinate your kids, that's your business. Just keep them out of public places.
But keep them out of public places.

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The more I think about it, the more I'm glad you asked that question, because it reminds me of research I did on autism 25 years ago. (My cousin is severely autistic, and I was studying for a degree in special ed, so I was interested in this.) Some of the books I used were already kind of old then - as in 1960's / 1970's. One thing I remember reading was that in most cases, autistic kids showed no symptoms, indeed had perfectly normal cognitive and speech development, until around age 1.5 to 2, at which point their language skills dropped off, etc. This is why it's pretty much impossible to diagnose autism in infancy. I didn't make the connection at the time, but since I've recently read and heard of many cases where a parent swears her child was perfectly normal and suddenly developed autistic traits after the MMR vaccine, this is something I can't blow off.

Some professionals believe MMR is much safer if (a) it's administered after at least 18mo, and/or (b) it's broken up and administered as three shots. Sounds reasonable to me. I asked my doc about it and he said they absolutely will not break up the shot because they don't want to have to track that many inventory items, and he was only willing to wait a couple months on the MMR shot. Well, thank God it's a free country and I can choose not to go back to the doc until my kids are older, but it sucks to have to boycott my kids' doctor in order to be in control of their health.

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This post was supposed to be a second reply to AdoptionAlly.

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Ugh, the reply thing isn't working again.

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Easy to say no connection when it's not your child with autism eh?

I guess some of you didn't read the new verdict that awarded a family who claimed their child's autism was caused by vaccines? THEY WON THE CASE! This is a huge deal and proof that not vax'ing our next child is the right decision.

My son has chicken pox right now. He's almost 5 yrs. Gosh he doesn't even act sick or scratch! I really find it rediculous that people vax for this in America. They don't here at ALL. My cousin had the measles and he was vaccinated yet still had a very bad case of it. Gee, he lived and wasn't scarred or damaged for life.

I'd rather have a child with the measles than an autistic one. Sure I love my son to bits, but part of him was stolen from me. We may never know why it happened.

Many of us don't believe vaccines cause autism... we believe they trigger that gene into action and it's most likely the metals in them. We haven't had our son tested for metals yet (not even sure how to ask that in this country) but many have found that their autistic kids have trouble excreting metals... that build up goes to the brain and guess what happens? Yeah..

SO don't you DARE tell me you know for sure that there's no connection. Come spend a week with my son, I dare you to leave and not have a change of opinion.

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If you don't vaccinate what else do you expect. Kids will get sick some will live some won't. Harsh I know but that is what will happen. Just like polio is coming back. If you don't vaccinate against it don't complain if you or your kids get it.

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