PD*Poll: Mom fights church that banned autistic boy
Filed under: Teens, In The News, Special Needs
Right on the heels of the recent story about a boy with Asperger's syndrome being voted out of his classroom comes a story out of Minnesota about a 13-year-old autistic boy who's been banned from church.According to church officials, the boy, Adam, has pushed or ran into fellow churchgoers, urinated and spit in church, and even started another person's car and started it up, revving the engine while people were standing in front of it. The church said that he is not only disruptive, but they feel he is dangerous as well, and they've gone as far as obtaining a restraining order against the family, legally barring them from attending services.
But Adam's mom isn't going down without a fight. She violated the order on May 11th, and says she'll keep fighting to get her family into church. "He's never actually injured anyone," she recently said, "He's never knocked anyone down. He's never urinated on anyone or spit on anyone." Though the church has offered alternatives, watching the service in the church basement, for instance, the family has declined.
It's so difficult to get a handle on a situation by reading a news story. Is Adam really a danger, or is he simply disruptive because of his autism? If he's simply disruptive, then is the church being intolerant? And if he is a danger to the other members of the church, is it possible that his family is just not accepting the reality of his situation? It's obviously a difficult situation for everyone involved.
What would you do if you were Adam's mom?
| I'd keep fighting for my right to go to church. | |
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| I'd accept the alternative service the church was offering. | |
| I'd find another church. | |
| I'd go to church, but leave Adam home. | |
| Other -- tell us in comments! |











ReaderComments (Page 1 of 4)
6-02-2008 @ 11:27AM
Michael said...I'm all for respecting other's rights and accepting those that are different then the rest, but I can see the point of the church. They have a responsibility to everyone in the congregation, not just that one boy. I would have made the same decision, not that I was against the boy, but for the rest of the congregation. From the limited information in the article, it appeared that his behavior was at such a level, he was not controllable. If at any point the safety of the rest of the congregation was in question, then it is only appropriate to ask them to leave. You would expect them to do that for someone that was not autistic, it's only fair.
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6-05-2008 @ 3:33PM
Tracy said...Exactly ! They are not trying to ban the child just the disruptive behavior , they are trying to give them alternatives... they are not doing it BECAUSE the child is Autistic ..it is BECAUSE he disrupts the service .. the parents should have realized this all on their own ..no one should have had to point it out to them ! I have a son who has Adhd and I had to leave during service several times or I worshiped at home. I still have God in my heart that day and everyday and I also taught him about God too . There are many ways to God !
6-02-2008 @ 12:27PM
Nancy Toby said...Parents who teach their children that disruptive behavior is somehow appropriate in public settings (and we should impose these behaviors on others repeatedly) because of a diagnosis (or entitlement issues) are not doing those children any favors.
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6-02-2008 @ 1:57PM
Michelle said...So, according to you, I should hide my 3 year old away at home and not expose him to the public because he has SPD and tends to have disruptive behavior when he becomes over-stimulated, often by the sensory things he seeks out?
That would make life a little difficult, and my 5 yr old would not get to have any experiences, either.
Now, if he were the size of a football player and possibly violent, there is a need to alter the child's life and routine to accomodate his diagnosis and protect those around him. There is a sensory diet that I understand can help tremendously. (we are still in the diagnosing stage) The parents should definitely enlist the help of the boy's physician, and therapists to come up with a better plan.
6-02-2008 @ 10:08PM
Jenni said...You are so right. It doesn't matter what the diagnosis, your children need to be taught appropriate behaviors. Yes, for some children it is more challenging than for others. I think sometimes having a labeled disability gives children a disadvantage because "well, he's autistic, so that's just the way he is."
6-03-2008 @ 5:09PM
mtnprincess said...nancy...ur one of the ignorant ones i speak of...do u think we teach these guys that its OK to misbehave in public places ?? for over a year i wouldnt take my grandsons anywhere in public, but i finally decided that they had just as much right to enjoy all the pleasures as u do, and i started taking them to eat out, shop, etc...and when all the idiots out there look at me as if to say," woman, do domething with that "BAD" kid, i look at them and curtly advise them that they have autism, and that it might be a good idea to research the topic, because the diagnosis is growing daily...they won't be locked away in the basement, they will enjoy the same world that we do, and DONT make the mistake of saying something negative about them where i can hear u...
6-04-2008 @ 7:22AM
Jocilyn said...Absolutly, thats whats wrong with the world today, people use crutches to convince themselves that its okay to let their children misbehave. children with disabilities and challenges can learn just as well the right way to behave in public, it just requires more work on the parents behalf, with some parents arent willing to put in, so they use their childs condition as an excuse, I have an autistic son, if he were ever behaving like that in public I would most certainly not have the right to say ANYONE is at blame for anything but myself. That church SHOULD be intolerable, that is completely unacceptable.
6-02-2008 @ 12:41PM
Kelsey said..."...even started another person's car and started it up, revving the engine while people were standing in front of it."
Adam's behaviour is putting people in danger, and is very likely to seriously injure someone. The church is attempting to reach a compromise which will mantaining its members safety while allowing Adam's family to continue to attend services. To me, this is similar to offering "cry rooms" for parents of young babies.
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6-04-2008 @ 1:50AM
Karen Smith said...my question is where were the parents I am the mother of an autism child and I take him out all the time but when his mood hits I quickly usher him out until he calms down
6-02-2008 @ 1:22PM
Michelle Blair said...I live in Minnesota and have seen/followed the articles written up about Adam's family and the church. Right now, I have to say that I would take the same stance as the church does and it's partially because of my first hand experience with another boy who has Asperger's who's part of my husband's family.
The boy I know is 8 and is both taller than me (I'm 5'6") and he weighs in easily over 225lbs. When he acts out, it can be very physically intimidating. The latest was him getting a saw out from a workroom during a family gathering and taking it out by the other children. But when one of the adults who witnessed what was happening confronted him, things got very ugly. Luckily no one was hurt.
I understand that having a child with Asperger's can be challenging. But I also have other friends with autistic children who's behavior is nothing like what I've read about in regards to Adam's or what I've seen in my own extended family. I cannot fault the church for trying to provide a safe alternative environment for Adam's family so they can still be apart of the spiritual community but at the same time protecting their other parishioners. The additional articles I've read here seem to point out that the family is reacting unreasonably.
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6-02-2008 @ 2:19PM
Jenni said...When I first heard of this story and was talking about it with my husband, I said, "They should just use the cry room or something so that he isn't disturbing everyone else." Now that I know that they have given different alternatives to this family, I am totaly on the side of the church.
This child obvisouly can't handle being in a group setting; the family obviously wants to go to church; they have given the alternative without disrupting every one else's church service.
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6-02-2008 @ 2:21PM
ameitup said...I don't fault the church. I do fault the mother for insisting that her child has the right to attend services like an average person when he is obviously not average. I don't understand why she refuses to accept their offer of watching the services from the basement where his behavior will not disturb others. I support the right of the rest of the congragation to worship in peace and quiet.
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6-02-2008 @ 3:11PM
queenoqueens said...If a person *without* autism would not be allowed to stay with that behavior, why should a child with autism be allowed to stay? I think the criteria should be safety first, then level of disruption second. Since there are alternatives for the church, then I think a compromise here is good.
The school has to have a higher threshold though...since there's no alternative, other than the leave the child uneducated which makes things worse in the long run for everyone involved.
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6-02-2008 @ 3:38PM
ameitup said...The mother is being ridiculous. The church offered an alternative for her son, yet she is going to keep insisting he be allowed to annoy and disrupt the rest of the congregation? The church should turn right around and sue HER.
All settings are not for all people. Perhaps she could find a minister willing to hold a service expressly for people like her son who are unable to sit still and quiet for a regular service. When they were younger, my children loved going to our local library for weekly story hour. We stopped going because of children with behavioral problems. Our library then decided to have a weekly story hour specifically for those children and it worked out quite well for all of the children.
I believe some parents of special needs children are just sue-happy. Our public schools bend over backwards for special needs students. Ours provides special classrooms, some children have a one on one aide all day long to push them to and from classes, feed them, and change their diapers. On the other hand, my two intellectually gifted daughters get 2 hours a week of gifted education because that is all the public schools offer.
I'll be sending my 10 year old to a private school this fall. A few years back, a mother filed a suit against the school for not admitting her son. This school is a university prep school, for crying out loud. If a student does not pass the admissions test, they are not admitted.
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6-05-2008 @ 8:03PM
Jacqueline Kelly said...You're an @$$hole.
6-02-2008 @ 6:42PM
ame s said...This mother is being ridiculous. The church offered her an alternative, yet she is going to keep on demanding that her son be able to attend services like a regular person when he can't behave like one?
It is not fair to ask the entire congregation to put up with the behavior of her child. Perhaps she could ask a minister to hold services for people like her son. Our local library started a weekly story hour for children who could not behave during the regular story hour. It got to where my children didn't even want to go because of the way some kids misbehaved.
Our public schools have to bend over backwards for special needs children. Ours has children who have their own attendant all day long to wheel them around, feed them, and change their diapers, yet the parents still demand more, more and more. There are children who don't even realize they are even at school, others who sleep all day. The exceptional students get put on the back burner.
The average students aren't even on the stove at all.
I have 2 intellectually gifted daughters who only get 2 hours of gifted education per week, because that is all our public schools offer. I am moving my 10 year old to a private school in the fall because of this.
The school my older daughter will be attending had to deal with a lawsuit a couple of years back from a mother of a child who could not pass the admissions test. The school clearly identifies itself as a university preparatory school. If a child can't pass the admissions test, they don't belong there.
I think some parents of special needs students are just sue-happy. Perhaps it is time for us parents of average and above average students to start demanding more for our children.
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6-02-2008 @ 8:42PM
Michelle said...Maybe you ought to advocate for your students the way we parents have had to advocate for our Special-needs students. And advocate. . . .and advocate.. . . it is a never ending battle because the school system and the powers-that-be don't really care about my child. I have to keep his name and situation in their face and make them care so he gets the services he needs. I don't want him pigeon-holed into a Special-ed class where he would be bored and have his intelligence and creativity stiffiled. Even though some from the other post think all special needs children should be thrown into a special-ed class before they infect the other children or something.
All those allowance for our special-needs children didn't come by way of the Fairy Godmother. They were hard won by the families, and, yes through some lawsuits.
I agree, there are not enough resourses for our gifted children, I was one. My son, the one in special-ed preschool, will probably be another. I intend to advocate on that front, as well. After all, I've had a lot of practice being my children's advocate,even at their tender ages!
6-02-2008 @ 8:57PM
ame s said...Michelle, you sound like a great mom! Best wishes for you and your children. I doubt any school could get away with shortchanging your kids with you at the helm :) Keep fighting, and perhaps consider moving to TN because we sure could use someone like you around here.
There were no provisions made for gifted students when I was a kid. Our teachers just moved us up to the next grade's reader, leaving some of us to be left with only reading books from the library and doing book reports. I loved that, but it didn't really teach us anything.
My local school system should be under federal control, in my opinion. Our teachers still haven't received the pay raises and bonuses they were promised in January of 2007. The system won't even pay for the ink cartridges for the classrooms' printers, can you believe that? Some buildings are so ancient, we get asbestos warning letters at the beginning of each school year. (Of course, asbestos is not dangerous unless disturbed, they say.) Our school board is racially divided and too busy trying to undermine each other to care about who they are really working for: the children of this county.
I've resorted to enrolling my older daughter into private school next year. My next goal is to move a county or two over so this school system will not longer be able to waste my city and county tax dollars. I'd rather my taxes go to a school systemm that actually cares about the children.
6-02-2008 @ 9:39PM
ikate said...Michelle,
Here's where you lose me: "we parents have had to advocate for our Special-needs students..." but you don't want him in a special-needs class? Sorry, but if you freely assert that your child is special-needs why don't you advocate for him to be in an environment that is designed to meet those needs with a teacher trained to teach to those needs? By forcing a school to essentially make every teacher - even those not trained to be - a special-needs teacher only hurts both your child and other kids while burning out a teacher who was not trained for it.
There is a reason there are specific educational degrees dealing with teaching special needs kids... SPECIAL needs means what they require to successfully learn is "unique or specific to a person or category" (that's the Webster definition of special).
I have family members who are Special Ed teachers (all with Masters or higher degrees and at least 10 years in the classroom) who complain that they sit in their schools fighting to teach kids like yours with recognized special needs while the parents fight to have the kids in a "regular" classroom. So instead they end up being a school-wide tudor or teaching computers to the whole school...the school is required to have them there and their education and passion is left untouched while they watch kids struggle.
6-03-2008 @ 12:01AM
Jenni said...Here's the other flaw in Michelle's "advocacy". If I advocate for a gifted or even just "typically developing" child, I will be advocating for the special needs children to be out of the classroom. So, let's just say that this advocacy goes somewhere and the special needs children end up back in their special needs classrooms (which I am with ikate here; let's use those specialists appropriately) where will that put her advocacy?
It will end up a never ending cycle. I don't know the right answer; I won't even pretend I do. I do think that every child, no matter what their "disability" be taught to function and contribute to society to the best of their abilities.