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What's wrong with the pledge?
Filed under: Holidays, Day Care & Education, Religion & Spirituality
The pledge of allegiance, with its references to "Richard Stans" and our "invisible" nation, is mis-quoted every morning by public school children across the nation. There are those, however, who are unhappy about this, most famously because of the two-word phrase added in the 1950's in order to ward off the communist threat.The pledge was written in 1892 to celebrate the 400th anniversary of Columbus' arrival in the new world by Francis Bellamy, a Baptist minister and Christian Socialist. The original version was "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." In the 1920's, "my Flag" was changed, against Bellamy's wishes, to "the Flag of the United States of America."
The phrase "under God" was added in 1954 due to pressure from the Knights of Columbus, a Catholic fraternal service organization. According to Bellamy's granddaughter, the original author would not have approved of this change either. There is a lot of opposition to the recitation of the pledge, as it stands, by schoolchildren, most notably by Michael Newdow, an attorney and physician who, in 2000, filed a lawsuit in order to make sure his daughter could "go to public school free from daily theistic indoctrination."
A lot of people, however, don't get what all the hoopla is about -- why not just let it be, especially since the Supreme Court has ruled that students are not required to recite it? There are a number of reasons, actually, so in the interest of fostering understanding on this, the anniversary of our nation's birth, here are some of them:
First off, other than their parents, a child's teacher and principal are the main figures of authority that a child will come in contact with. As such, and as representatives of the government, their role in leading the pledge gives the impression that this is a religious nation. Barry Mark, a historian of religion, says "I lived in Jerusalem on a few separate occasions and witnessed first hand what happens when democratic ideals become entangled with theocratic ones." I'd just as soon my kids grow up knowing our country is a secular one.
Second, when a child's parents do not believe in a higher power, the affirmation by their teacher that not only is there a God, but that our country is subordinate to it, sets up a conflict between the two authority figures. Children are, hopefully, told to listen to their teacher and obey them, but what about when what the teacher says is the opposite of what the parents say? Who should the child listen to?
This can, however, be seen as an opportunity to teach a child about differing belief sets. "I consider the fact that my daughter says 'the Pledge' an opportunity to continue a conversation with her about these issues and the circumstances out of which they have come to exist," says Mr. Mark. "Stepping into public school, she becomes part of a complex society with a lion's share of problems and contradictions."
Lastly, there is the implied acceptance of the existence of God, something that not everyone agrees upon. "My son has told me he doesn't believe in god, and I believe him," says Michael Gene Sullivan, who adapted Orwell's novel, 1984 for the stage. "Forcing him to say he does violates his rights to freedom of belief."
Even the alternative -- not reciting the pledge -- is not really acceptable. Mr. Mark explains: "To me, the opt-out approach is like putting a band aid on a bruise; the bleeding is internal, so there is no real change in the situation, even though some comfort might be achieved by such an act. Imposed marginalization, whether done by parents or school authorities, can be detrimental to a kid's legitimate desire to be part of the group."
So what's a parent to do? Well, Mr. Sullivan, who also writes, directs, and acts with the San Francisco Mime Troupe, a satirical theatre company that specializes in political commentary, says simply, "I have a history of mocking it."
Our personal solution is a bit different -- rather than stand by and let the status quo remain in place, my son, Jared, proudly recites our version, in which "under God" is replaced by "under nobody." It works for us and so far, we've had the full support of other parents and Jared's teachers.











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7-05-2008 @ 4:30PM
Uly said...I could get upset about "under God". And I do, actually, but only a little.
Really, though, I'm much more concerned about the precedent of teaching little children to say a promise that they don't even understand. A common feature of "out of the mouths of babes" publications is the small child who, as you say, mangles the pledge, or who thinks it ends with the words "you may now be seated".
I'm supposed to see this as cute, I guess, but really I find it very disturbing. I can think of no other circumstance in which I'd tell anybody to make a promise they might not want to keep - might not even realize is a promise! - and then possibly never explain it to them.
But of course, children do this every day.
(And why is it only kids? If we're all so gosh-darned patriotic, why don't we expect *adults* to say the pledge daily? Bit hypocritical, don't you think, asking children to make the promises while adults don't have to, but getting Very Upset if we suggest that maybe it's an unfair burden on kids?)
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7-05-2008 @ 7:22AM
Derek said...Roger, what are you going to do if your son grows up only to become a conservative?
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7-05-2008 @ 9:16AM
meredith said...I am a liberal raised by conservative parents. So is my husband. It happens all the time. I am pretty sure that my parents still like and appreciate me, as well as my husband's parents do him.
Thank you Roger for the information. I have received so many of those emails this week about 'Deal with it or go away' in regards to the religious sayings on our money, government buildings and in schools.
It always hurts my heart that we are a country built on freedom of religion and no one can see that it means freedom FROM as well.
7-07-2008 @ 12:00AM
Bubba said...Roger Sinasohn is a BIG LIB. all he worries about is destroying the Constition and making sure NO ONE apposes the the gay and lesbian agenda's... Hey Roger how bout presenting some news that makes your presentations A LITTLE more balenced??? You could start by presenting an article how this nation is a Great Country and we kick a___. And HEY Roger we just celebrated the nations independence, so let your guard down- you don't have to be a dick all the time!!!!!!!
7-07-2008 @ 2:41PM
Uncle Roger said...If my son grows up to be a conservative, I will love him every bit as much as I do know -- and look forward to many stimulating (and probably loud) discussions.
As I tell my kids, I will always love them, no matter what. I may not always love what they do, however. (Or, what they believe, in this case.)
7-05-2008 @ 8:13AM
Amy Wood said...Roger,
Did you know that schools were originally founded to teach the Bible. . .verses to be exact. Wow--should you know remove your child from school? I am disgusted at how everyone feels they have the right to "pick and choose" what they like/don't like about this country. What about my children? I don't want them listening to your child recite "that pledge". It is wrong. If you don't like it, take the time to home school your child.
What do you teach him about right/wrong and the law? If you don't like the way a law/rule is written, do you change that to suit your beliefs too? Wow. Unbelievable.
All I can say is I am glad to have access to information such as this--my children thankfully aren't in school yet. It gives me time to decide how to handle these things.
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7-07-2008 @ 3:00PM
Uncle Roger said...And in this country, slavery was originally legal, women couldn't vote, etc... And if you go back far enough, people thought the world was flat and that the sun and moon were gods and so on. How far back should we set our civilization?
If we don't like the way a law is written, we try to change it, through discussion, initiatives, and so on. That's one of the nice things about this country -- you can do that. (As I tell people, freedom in America doesn't mean you are free to do any damn thing you want, it means you are free to influence the laws and regulations that govern what you can do.) My kids are free to question my rules or suggest changes to them, so long as they do so before they try to implement the changes. ("Hey, Dad, how about you can read us a story and then we can brush our teeth?")
I was hoping that I could help those who are in favor of the "under god" phrase understand a little better why those of us opposed to it don't like it. I'd like to think that if "under Vishnu" or "under Satan" were substituted, you could see that many of the same issues would apply to you and your family.
7-05-2008 @ 8:30AM
Amy Wood said...I "know" that there is a typo in my above comment. . .
it should read:
should you "now" instead of "know"
I am still so upset after reading this article. What is wrong with people?
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7-05-2008 @ 9:27AM
meredith said...Women originally were not allowed to vote. Black people were not originally allowed to share space with whites. Just because schools originally taught bible verses does not allow them to do so now.
Life has changed since then, hasn't it?
I vote that if you would like your child to be taught Christian values and lessons in schools, you should place your child into a church affiliated school, where everyone thinks the same. Perhaps that would be less disturbing to you?
I am looking forward to talking with my children about the lessons learned in schools and other places regarding different beliefs and their right to choose, rather than shielding from the differences that make this country a great one.
7-05-2008 @ 11:15AM
Amy Wood said...Meredith--
I am not condoning teaching religion in school. I was simply stating that schools were started only to teach Bible verses to the children. That being the case, should he take his child out of school so that he isn't supporting such an institution?
In other words, boycott school because it was founded on religious principles.
7-05-2008 @ 11:25AM
Jennifer said...Quite simply, as Roger and countless others have pointed out, the pledge was NOT written with the words "under God" written in it. Our country was founded on the seperation of church and state...with "God" found all over it truly seems like we are a bunch of hypocrites.
7-05-2008 @ 10:57AM
David Reed said...Goodness gracious. For those apparently haven't been paying attention, religion, save perhaps for Muslim awareness classes, have been expelled from public schools some time ago. Gone to a high school football game and heard a prayer before the game? Unconstitutional. Prayer in class? Nope, maybe a "moment of silence" but if you're caught actually praying you can be kicked out of class.
So the last thing is to stop saying the Pledge of Allegiance or get rid of the word "God" altogether. It's the hypocrites' next job to get the word "God" off of our public buildings and certain off our currency. Aren't children in schools so they can become productive members of society and start making money and paying for food, bills and taxes? But if those kids see "In God We Trust" is that not also conflicting?
Okay, let's assume that happens, then what? Suddenly everything is better and your kids aren't damaged by a pledge because they have conflicting authority figures? Give me a break.
There's nothing left of God in any public school and the pledge is the last document with any reference. Can someone give this a rest? Okay, stop saying the Pledge in schools. Happy now? Your kids aren't conflicted any longer? Parents finally know what to say? If this is screwing you up, just wait till they get a little older and you're dealing with drugs and teenage sex.
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7-05-2008 @ 12:28PM
Amy Wood said...Okay, okay. I can see where this is going to go. . .bash the conservative Christian. I will end with these thoughts:
Thank God, and yes, I did say GOD, I can send my children to a private Christian school. A place where they will learn about God, Christian values, etc. A place where they are "free" to celebrate Christmas, not the "holiday season". Somewhere that they can wear red and green without being sent home. A place where they can display a Christmas tree, not a holiday tree and see a Nativity display with the Baby Jesus. A place where prayer is a normal part of the day and something that is done before games. A place that teaches acceptance of others but also teaches the value of family and God.
Finally, I want to say "thank you" to all of the families who are sacrificing for our country. The men and women fighting for us and those "freedoms" that we do have in this country. I feel like sometimes people take advantage of our "freedoms" and give this country a bad name. We are becoming a very "selfish" nation and creating a place that promotes doing "what feels good" rather than what is "right" and "wrong".
Being tolerant of others and accepting differences is one thing. But being forced, FORCED, to accept something that goes against what this country was founded on--namely God, is wrong.
All I can say is, GOD BLESS AMERICA.
AMEN
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7-06-2008 @ 7:51PM
Lauren said...I'm pretty sure when this nation was founded we were escaping religious persecution.
7-07-2008 @ 6:41AM
Michelle said...Amy,
I'm happy that you do send your children to a place where all of your values and beliefs are being taught. In doing so, you make the argument justified. We have CHOICE here and Yup, THANK GOD we do!
The problem remains that although God and Judeo-Christian values are a key element in the making of our country, it does not stand to reason that we should be bombarded with one belief system when it comes to religion and our government. That is what a lot of religious groups are trying to do, force THEIR beliefs on all of us. That IS NOT what our forefathers envisioned for our great nation.
I do not consider myself Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, etc. I am spiritual. I believe in God and I believe in the freedom to believe in God the way I see fit. Same goes for my family.
I think the problem here, put very simply, is IGNORANCE. Why, in 2008, are people not realizing that we are not the judge of our peers, GOD is! We are not the deciders of anothers fate, GOD is. Christian teachings express that in no uncertain terms!
None of us should have to agree with all things, but we should not be standing in judgement and creating laws that do not allow the FREE WILL that God so graciously gave to us.
We need tolerance, prayer and forgiveness in this world. Not ignorance, judgement and hatred.
I stand, hand in hand with you, when I say GOD BLESS AMERICA!
(The good, the bad and the ugly of it all!)
7-06-2008 @ 11:10PM
Evonne said...Amy right on. I am thrilled that there are Christians who are unafraid of speaking up. I homeschooled my older kids and now have another in school again. He was in a Christian School then I put him in public out of pressure from others. One year was enough for me. My Children understand to respect God and in turn they learned to respect others. I love this Country with all my heart and I really believe if you don't love it and support our men and women who keep us free you should find a country that best suits you beliefs. This Country is great because of God and will stay this way because of all of us who believe in God.
God Bless America
Evonne
7-07-2008 @ 3:23PM
Uncle Roger said..."Okay, okay. I can see where this is going to go. . .bash the conservative Christian."
Amy, I had (and have) no desire to bash you or your beliefs. No, I do not share them, but I would hope that's okay with you. I certainly support your right to hold them, and would fight equally hard to ensure that you are able to do so, just as I would fight to make sure that Muslims can follow Islam, Jews can follow Judaism, and so on.
Note that I do not advocate changing the official pledge to be "under nobody" or "under none of those silly outdated superstitions" or anything like that -- I would just have it be either not recited or leave out the "under" phrase altogether. That way, each person can choose for themselves who they believe the country to be accountable to.
What I really hope to accomplish with this article is to get people to simply say, "Okay, I can see why he has a problem with it." I'm not asking you to agree with me, or to think that it's sufficient enough of an issue to warrant a change, or even to think that I'm right. All I'm hoping for is that those who support the pledge as-is can, for just a moment, get their heads around the issues that make it difficult for people like me to accept.
7-07-2008 @ 3:47PM
Amy Wood said...Thank you for your reply. I also am just stating my desire for you to understand why it is hurtful and upsetting that you are trying to "make a point" and using your children to do so too, so that others around know where you and your children stand. Why not teach your children to accept that as the United States pledge and move on. Just as in a Presidential election, the outcome may not be what one wants, but we have to respect the outcome just the same.
"Under God" is part of the pledge. Thank you for trying to get people to see where you come from--the day after the 4th of July, but also see how inappropriate it is for your child to change the words of something so sacred to the majority of us. Just have him stand and be silent for the sake of others.
As they say, "there is a time and a place for everything". And, in my opinion, which I am entitled to have--during the pledge is not the time to make a political statement or personal opinion.
Once again--thanks to the men and women of our country who are fighting for our freedom. Your efforts are not in vain--
GOD BLESS AMERICA
7-07-2008 @ 12:53PM
janice said...Hi Amy...We're so proud of you! Keep standing up for what's right and let the comments of those misguided Americans fall to the ground. There are more people like you in America than the media would have you believe. Christianity has gone through turmoil since it began, but it's still standing and will be until the end of time! Remember that saying "evil flourishes when good men do nothing". Keep doing something!! Mom
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7-05-2008 @ 2:02PM
Kris said...My children are Canadians. We live in the United States. I think my children should have a choice as to whether they say the Pledge. Isn't it a little hippocritical for my children to say it when they don't really mean it? Perhaps one day when we get our citizenship it won't be a problem but until then, no one should be forced to do anything they don't believe to be true.
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