Jon and Kate - Are they good enough parents for TV?
Categories: Love & sex, Behaving badly, That's entertainment
I'm not especially into watching Jon and Kate plus Eight, the show that chronicles the parenting adventures of a couple with twins and sextuplets, but my wife likes to catch it. I've never been a big fan of Kate, the wife and mother; I feel that she is too obsessive and doesn't treat Jon, her husband particularly well. If you've never seen the show, there are a whole lot of clips available for viewing online.I find it difficult to comprehend how she can deprive her kids of the joy of coloring with markers or eating ice cream or, heck, all the myriad ways kids can have fun getting dirty, simply because she likes things clean. In fact, it seems like her kids are missing out on a lot because of her obsessive nature. My kids regularly come home from school or summer camp looking like they've been allergic to soap and water their whole lives. It's one way to tell they've had a whole mess of fun.
I can certainly understand phobias and fetishes; I know I have my fair share. The problem is, she's a parent now. She can't afford the luxury of having to have everything clean and tidy -- the kids' happiness and nurturing takes precedence. She needs to put her problems on the back burner and let her kids take center stage now. In twenty years or so, when the kids leave home, she can go back to being obsessive and dysfunctional.
Well, it seems I'm not alone in my distaste for Kate. In fact, one woman feels even more strongly about it and isn't afraid to say so. She has even suggested that perhaps the show should be cancelled, at least until Kate gets some help with "her multitude of issues."
Her reason -- Kate's incessant berating and belittling of Jon. Is he an abused husband? I'm not exactly sure, but he's certainly not treated all that well. The author, Tammy G, cites an incident at Toys R Us as an example. Kate hollers at Jon across the store and he ends up leaving in embarrassment. I'm not sure I would stand for such treatment either.
I know that Kate's physical abuse of Jon is not something I would stand for; I'm afraid that if my wife slapped me the way that and as often as Kate slaps Jon, someone would end up getting hurt. Not only is physical violence unnecessary and inappropriate, it sets a very bad example for the kids. And as if that weren't enough, when asked about the slapping, Kate actually blamed Jon for it.
Tammy G suggests that Jon and Kate are not good role models and offers up the Duggars instead. It seems to me, however, that not everything on television needs to be an example of how we should be; sometimes television can shows us how not to be. Perhaps that is the lesson we can learn from Jon and Kate -- how not to treat a spouse and kids.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 232)
Patty 7-25-2008 @ 9:14AM
I love the show and I LOVE the children!
I don't think Kate treats Jon so bad...you can tell it is just childish banter between them...I think it shows their playfullness and love. My hubby and I have been like that for years...picking and teasing.
I think some like to analyze everything and find something wrong.
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Corrina 7-27-2008 @ 2:29PM
I enjoy the show at times too. Although, I have 3 daughters with one set of twins and it gets very stressful. These are people who show their true colors and if people don't like how they run there house, don't watch. He is a grown man who can stick up for himself!
Patti 7-27-2008 @ 2:31PM
I'm sorry but I think that the two of them handle the stress of having eight children very well. Lets see how you all would do in that situation. Leave the poor people alone! They are doing the best they can, and if you don't have anything nice to say about it, than don't say anything at all!!
Rachel P 7-27-2008 @ 4:06PM
I really love their relationship, It is a real relationship, where fustrations, fights happen. I think we all have time where we are fustrated and over whelmed, with our children and husbands and we don't treat them as well as we could. Only ours aren't as publizied as theirs and we don't have 8 children, 6 of whom are 3/4 yrs old.
Anyway I think it is unfair to judge others unless you are dealing with the same issue.
Why hasn't anyone brought up that he's not an angel either?
Donna 7-27-2008 @ 4:14PM
I think Kate does better with those kids than most of us do. Indeed, she's a little controlling, and she has to be. John is a good guy but is occassionally completely out of touch with what Kate has to deal with all day long. She has to maintain a certain mode of operation all day to keep that house running and I bet it's hard to turn on and off. John is not abused. Kate is not abusive. People who don't get her are likely not raising six toddlers and twin grade-schoolers all at once.
Sally 7-28-2008 @ 2:13PM
Are you kidding me, this conversation should have never been started. You need to give that couple a medal for Great parenting and as a couple, God bless them. Better to yell at each other than take it out on the kids. Infact I would be in the boobie hatch by now with that many toddlers. My three Grand children just had to move back in with me since their father( my son) passed away suddenly. They are 8,3 and the 2 month old is my daughters who moved back in to go so she could go to nursing school. So to Jon and Kate hang in there have your show we will watch and just don't yell at Jon on camera LOL.
j9 7-28-2008 @ 4:30PM
I love them. Kate should get an award. She is a great mom and her kids are adorable. Jon abused? Get real!! He's a nice guy but just like most men, in his own world most of the time. I do like how he pitches in, Kate needs it. I couldn't even imagine 6 toddlers and a set of school age twins. I can totally relate and back Kate up 100%.
Nicole 7-29-2008 @ 8:51AM
On the parenting side I think they are doing fine, they just need to get Mady under control from now or they will regret it later... As for Jon and Kate's relationship...Kate has no respect for her husband and is obviously the one who wears the pants in the house. There is nothing wrong with a woman being authoritive but there is no need for her to be constantly putting Jon down.
Kristie 7-29-2008 @ 10:12PM
I personally think that Jon and Kate have a very good relationship...
Of Course she gets stressed, Her Kids are very well rounded and sweet Kids. I do think that Kate maybe should think before she screams HELLLLLOOOO to Jon, He never embarrasses her like that in front of a million other fathers. We all have our own little Quirps, and I would wager that anyone with a film crew following them 24/7 would have some of their ugliness seen at times too!
I think they are great parents and their kids are their world, as it should be!
mary 7-30-2008 @ 6:53AM
I wish they would cancel the show. I agree Kate is just mean and obsessive. And even though I do watch the show when flipping thru the channels I always can not help but think that they do the show just for money. Yes I can only imagine it is hard raising 8 children but that was their choice and for a family of 10 they do much better then most families nowadays. I for one will be happy when there is no more Jon & Kate Plus 8 anywhere on the television again.
lmm 7-30-2008 @ 7:31AM
I know I couldn't do it!!!! Jon and Kate are "real" people and shouldn't be judged so harshly. We can all sit back and have our opinions, but in reality, they are being the best parents they can be to all 8 children. Put yourselves in their shoes and ask yourself if you could really do better. Those children receive more attention than children with fewer siblings. Kate is honest and Jon is just a great, involved father. No matter what their disagreements are or how hard people think Kate is on Jon, their love for one another is obvious. I think they deserve a lot of credit for making their family their number one priority and for not trying to be someone they are not just for the sake of the cameras!
Nan 7-30-2008 @ 8:03AM
I totally agree with this article. I remember an episode once where Kate was interviewing help so she could clean more and the HELP would play with the kids! Her priorities are backward.
And her treatment of Jon? No one should stand for verbal demeaning like that. She thinks it's funny, and that's sad.
Donna 7-30-2008 @ 8:13AM
Wow Patty. You call that "childish banter" and "playfulness"? Are you kidding me??!! I call it abuse, both physical and emotional. I agree with what others have written that he is a grown man and should stick up for himself. But that doesn't change the bottom line that slapping your spouse is physical abuse at the very least and actually is assault in most states. Not only that, if that is what she does knowing the cameras are rolling, consider what she might do when she thinks no one is watching. And what about the kids. Will they grow up thinking that behavior is acceptable? Most likely they will.
When I saw her act like that the first time, I thought "hmmmm". After the second time, I stopeed watching the show. That man is whipped and his wife has issues, big time. She needs help and so does he.
Sara 7-30-2008 @ 8:21AM
I watch the show faithfully and I think that Kate and Jon do a remarkable job. Most people couldn't even dream of having to raise 8 kids let alone a set of sextuplets. It would be complete chaos if Kate didn't have a strict handle on things. I don't think her kids are deprived of anything. She allows for sweet treats and playtime, but only in moderation and under close supervision. She has to do it this way or they both could go completely insane!! Jon and Kate I think you are doing a wonderful job!!
rose snyder 7-30-2008 @ 9:10AM
What Kate does to and with Jon is NOT childish bantering; it's abuse. She is so narcissistic she seems to feel that whatever she does or says or thinks is the ONLY way and that she is entitled to inflict her personality, pettiness and obsessions on anyone who comes into her path.
Patty 7-30-2008 @ 8:54AM
Yes Donna...that is just being playful. I am sure if it would have been meant to be really physical she cold knoch him for a loop!
I remember growing up, rough-housing and swatting my siblings playfully...was that abuse?
I get tired of everytime you say or do something people have to label it and make it into something it's not.
Yes, I agree Kte is controlling..she has to be...Jon is very laid back and like most men don't think about what needs to be done unless someone tells them. They are not as tuned into the needs of children and a household. Most men are in their own world which covers their job and sports and their interest. I am not saying their wife and kids are not their interest...but really, think about it...do most men know what it's like to be with kids 24/7? I think not!
Jon is a great husband and father and Kate is a great wife and mother.
I do know when you have a camera crew in your face you sometimes say and do things out of normal.
Jon & Kate are great parents and their childres and sweet and very well behaved. Mady is a little jealous and needs more attention, but she is a child.
I think the show educates a lot of people on what it is like to raise 8 children. In the old days people had large families...not most have 2 or 3 kids.
I applaude Jon & Kate!!!
B 7-30-2008 @ 9:06AM
On the show Kate even says " I dont have the time to clean/change the sextuplets outfits 4 times a day." And About Jon and Kate, you have to remember: They are incredibly youung. Jons only 32 and kates 34. Imagine having 8 kids that young.
mblineberry 7-30-2008 @ 10:00AM
I love this show.
Imagine having twin girls. Just that alone would send me over the edge. Then- have SIX babies in one shot added to the twin girls. Just the idea is enough to make me want to go take a valium. People suggest that Kate is obsessive? Because she wants to keep the house clean?
I leave home for two days and come home to a disaster because my two older teens haven’t cleaned up after themselves. They don’t have “toys”- they just don’t clean up their dishes, or their personal hygiene products in the bathroom, or their mail/work stuff. Everything stays where it is dropped. Imagine having EIGHT small children who’s every need has to be filled by YOU the parent. Picture how fast those dishes are going to pile up, that laundry is going to pile up, those toys are going to be distributed throughout the house…….not to mention keeping their little bodies clean. Kids are messy. If you don’t keep up with them every minute you are going to spend hours (that they don’t have) trying to catch up.
Ever see that show “the nanny”? The totally stressed out parents with the out of control kids? Not one of them has eight kids. They can’t handle two or three. The nanny comes in and basically teaches them……organization, and routine. She has them set down very simple, hardcore rules. Kids need structure. Take structure away and you get chaos and confusion. You get a very unhappy family.
As far as Kate being abusive or Jon being whipped, are you kidding me? They are on camera all the time and we the public get to view them in stressful situations that HAPPEN in real life to all of us. If you tell me you’ve never yelled at your husband, or that he has never walked away from you in embarrassment I’m going call you a liar. Everyone fights and most people do not fight prettily. That’s why is called a fight. Hello? She loses her cool, she yells and most times he pacifies her because he is a SMART man, not a whipped man. What’s he going do? Throw down with her while their 8 kids wander around getting into god knows what? It’s not a big deal. He sometimes tunes out, as most men do- and she brings his focus back with alarming and absolutely necessary speed. When in public with that many kids you do not have time to fool around thinking about how to “correctly” get someone’s attention. The need is immediate, and she succeeds.
Jon is not whipped. I think their relationship is perfectly normal. I think he’s man enough to realize that his ego, or Kate stroking it, is at the bottom of the priority list now a days. He can take care of himself, the kids cannot. And they both do a damn fine job of it. Those kids are smart, clean, NORMAL and they may not be able to color with magic markers, or eat ice cream (reasons sited for her dysfunction) but they go to Disney Land, Sesame Place, Museums, Farms, ride horses, etc. How many other kids do all that? And the only reason they CAN do that is because Kate is so organized and in control and BECAUSE Jon is such a good support system for her by not getting his panties in a bunch if she snarps at him from time to time.
Anyone who can sit in judgement of a situation they themselves have never been placed in should re-consider throwing harsh criticism around. It makes them look naïve. I’d like to see anyone do a better job than this family. Most people can’t handle a couple of kids- never mind eight. I think they are absolutely fantastic and more parents should rise to their standards.
Patty 7-30-2008 @ 10:05AM
mblineberry ...you go girl!!!
I am in total agreement!
I watch the Nanny and see people with a few kids that are so out of control it is horrible, behavior is so bad and the words out of those kids mouths...I would LOVE to get hold of those parents...they are not parenting.
...I dont see Jon & Kate's kids acting like that they are very well behaved and I think they would be fun to be around!
Sylvie 7-30-2008 @ 10:16AM
Jon can stand up for himself just fine! I think Kate is a wonderful mother who tries to make the best of her situation. Sure she could let her kids go a little bit more but come on, how much bad press would she get if she WEREN'T organized? They're in this together and the only important thing is that their kids have the right teachings set up in order to live successful lives, nobody is saying they need to be as organized as she is. My point, nobody is in danger here the kids have full access to all of the resources necessary for a wonderful unbringing and besides, IT'S A TV SHOW. Give this family a break. We are so lucky to be able to see in even a little bit as to how they live.