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Circumcision is definitely a controversial topic, both here in the United States and elsewhere around the world. In Denmark, however, if politicians have their way, all of the controversy will be moot -- circumcision will be banned. Circumcision of girls has already been banned but boys may still be circumcised under the supervision of a doctor.Several political groups are in favor, but some are calling the idea "tyranny". Jesper Langballe of the Danish People's Party said "It's completely ridiculous to compare the circumcision of girls - which is a barbaric mutilation - with that of boys, where it's just the removal of a skin flap."
Even within the People's Party, however, there is no consensus -- the party's health spokeswoman, Liselott Brixt, says "A lot of parents want it done to their children because they themselves had it done. But we're living in the present and it isn't fair to expose healthy children to religious circumcision."
Personally, I agree that male and female circumcision are completely different, but I am also not completely convinced of a need for male circumcision. Anyone have any thoughts on the matter?











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11-29-2008 @ 7:38PM
Sifrina said...Another unbiased, balanced article from the American Academy of Pediatrics - AAP doesn't recommend circumcision as a routine practice but recognizes parents' right to choose, specifically noting that religious, cultural and ethnic traditions/beliefs are all legitimate factors in making this decision as a parent. AAP doesn't consider this mutilation or child abuse, even if it views this practice as not medically necessary. In addition, and contrary to what some have written here, AAP finds that analgesia is safe and effective.
Scientific evidence insufficient to warrant routine circumcision: AAP
AAP Task Force on Circumcision
The full text of this policy statement including references appears in the March Pediatrics.
Summary and recommendations
Existing scientific evidence demonstrates potential medical benefits of newborn male circumcision; however, these data are not sufficient to recommend routine neonatal circumcision. In the case of circumcision, in which there are potential benefits and risks, yet the procedure is not essential to the child's current well-being, parents should determine what is in the best interest of the child. In order to make an informed choice, parents of all male infants should be given accurate and unbiased information and be provided the opportunity to discuss this decision. It is legitimate for parents to take into account cultural, religious, and ethnic traditions, in addition to the medical factors, when making this decision. Analgesia is safe and effective in reducing the procedural pain associated with circumcision; therefore, if a decision for circumcision is made, procedural analgesia should be provided. If circumcision is performed in the newborn period, it should only be done on infants who are stable and healthy.
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12-04-2008 @ 9:59PM
Sean said...Heather, I disagree. It should be a choice for the boy, NOT the parents (which usually means the subjective decision of the doctor delivering, not informed consent). It's something that can and should wait. Believe me, I am a victim of circumcision and I've NEVER forgiven my parents. It's an incredibly hateful thing for them to have done and there was no harm in letting me control my own body.
The anecdotal stories you've shared are sad, but extrememly rare. Circumcision is almost never needed and infections, if they ever happen (99% of the time they don't; actual statistic), respond just as a throat infection does: 1 week at the most and you're done, likely forever. The guy with the crooked penis could EASILY have that remedied, surgically or otherwise, without resorting to circumcision (radical and irreversible) and guess what, he may have the problem anyway. You're more likely to have complications from a circumcision (tight erections, pulling [re: crooked penis], skin flaps, irregular hair growth, pot marks, or worse...) than you are to ever experience an infection or come congential oddity in your foreskin.
I think it's silly to say it's just a piece of skin. The only people who say this either don't have a penis or are circumcised. Would you volunteer to cut off your labia, Heather? Is labia just skin? Perhaps we should cut that off to in the off chance it could get infected.
Also, this article is misleading. Circumcision isn't controversial AT ALL in Denmark. Literally, almost no one is circumcised, aside from those who do it for religious reasons.
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12-05-2008 @ 10:54PM
Joe said...Sean sorry to hear about what happen to you, don't be too hard on your parents they were proabably mislead by some of the many folk myths about circumcision's benefits. As you can see these persist even today, take a look through the posts. But things are getting better and hopefully circumcision won't be common in another generation or two.
12-08-2008 @ 4:11PM
Fran K said...Circumcision eliminates the risk of phimosis, which affects 1 in 10 older boys and men. This condition refers to a tight foreskin that cannot be pulled back fully, so making cleaning under it, and passing urine difficult.
Circumcision reduces by up to 5 times the risk of the man's female partner being infected by chlamydia or getting cervical cancer (which is caused by human papilloma virus). One mom blogged: Some states are now trying to force young girls to have to have the HPV vaccine. The HPV vaccine (about 60% effective) is meant to protect against the Human Papillomavirus which causes genital warts and can lead to cervical cancer is a woman. So here the laws are forcing this vaccine to help to prevent cervical cancer but why are they not making it mandatory for the boys to be circumcised. Circumcision (about 60% effective too) reduces the risk of cervical cancer just like the vaccine does.
Lots of men in care homes have to be circ’d in their eighties and nineties because they develop foreskin problems through incontinence often accompanied by senility and the inability to retract them and perform personal hygiene for themselves. Care givers, not surprisingly, often neglect to look after this detail for them.
These days many preteens have sex, usually without a condom. You got your son vaccinated to protect him. He's twice as likely to get STDs and aids without a circumcision. 1/3 of very young teen girls already have at least 1 (to 4) STDs. Obviously boys have STDs also. Some of these STDs have no cure and are for life. Painful urinary tract infections are also very common.
Dr. Tom Wiswell examined the United States (US) Armed Forces records of over 200,000 newborn boys and to his surprise found that uncircumcised boys were 10 to 20 times more likely to develop severe kidney infections in the first year of life.
There’s more, but you get the idea. Male circumcision eliminates or greatly reduces the dangers of our sons and daughters having preventable medical problems, some serious, some fatal. This is true even if parents choose circumcision for religious reasons, hygiene or looks. And of course, that is if you get to choose...
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12-08-2008 @ 9:15PM
Joe said...Fran K said: "Circumcision eliminates the risk of phimosis, which affects 1 in 10 older boys and men. This condition refers to a tight foreskin that cannot be pulled back fully, so making cleaning under it, and passing urine difficult."
Phimosis is not that common, not even close. Funny how countries that don't routinely circumcise never report problems like you describe. In any case, phimosis is easily treatable in less invasive ways, such as betamethasone 0.05% cream. See Pediatrics Vol. 102 No. 4 October 1998, p. e43 Cost-effective Treatment of Phimosis Robert S. Van Howe for other more appropriate treatments.
Fran K said: "Circumcision reduces ... The HPV vaccine (about 60% effective) is"
This is also wrong. The HPV vaccine is at leat 95% effective against the strains for which it is designed. The vaccine has recently been shown to be effective for boys too, expect an application for authorization to market the HPV to boys soon.
Fran K said: "Lots of men in care homes have to be circ’d in their eighties and nineties because they develop foreskin problems through incontinence often accompanied by senility and the inability to retract them and perform personal hygiene for themselves. Care givers, not surprisingly, often neglect to look after this detail for them."
Then those care givers are providing sub standard care. These problems don't appear to be prevelent in European countries, or other countries that don't circumcise. If the care givers neglect a patient, they should be charged with a crime.
Fran K said: "These days many preteens have sex, usually without a condom. You got your son vaccinated to protect him. He's twice as likely to get STDs and aids without a circumcision. 1/3 of very young teen girls already have at least 1 (to 4) STDs. Obviously boys have STDs also. Some of these STDs have no cure and are for life. Painful urinary tract infections are also very common."
Teens are smarter than you think. Recently, the organization, Advocates for Youth[1], which champions efforts to help young people make informed and responsible decisions about their reproductive and sexual health, released an intriguing fact sheet which paints a stark picture with regard to the sexual health of US youth as compared to their European counterparts.
According to Advocates for Youth[1] among teens:
* Syphilis rates are more than 70 percent higher in the United States than in the Netherlands;
* Gonorrhea is the second most commonly reported infectious disease in the United States, and U.S. adolescent rate is 28 times greater than teen rates the Netherlands;
* Chlamydia infection is more than 15 times more common among U.S. teens than Dutch teens;
* The proportion of the United States’ adolescent and adult population that has been diagnosed with HIV or AIDS is six times greater than in Germany, three times greater than in the Netherlands, and one and a half times greater than in France.
These are some sobering and damning figures that illustrate a significant problem in the U.S. Anthropologically speaking, Europe and the United States aren't all that different from one another. Teens in the U.S. have similar levels of education, similar life styles,and similar sexual experiences as their European counter parts. The big difference between the two countries is the Europeans almost never circumcise their boys. It's only a religious thing there.
A recent New Zealand study published in the March 2008 Journal of Pediatrics, "Circumcision and Risk of Sexually Transmitted Infections in a Birth Cohort" by N. P. Dickson, T. Van Roode, P. Herbison and C. Paul, J Pediatr 2008;152:383-7, shows that circumcision does NOT prevent STDs. These findings are consistent with recent population-based cross-sectional studies in developed countries and found that early childhood circumcision does not markedly reduce the risk of the common STIs in the general population in such countries. Read that one here [2].
The recent large cross-sectional studies Dickson et. al. were consistent with included an Australian study (International Journal of STD & AIDS 2006) of over 10,000 men which found found after correction for age, circumcision was unrelated to reporting STI found at: [3]
Along with a smaller British Study (STI 2003), a mere 2,000 men, which also did not find any significant differences in the proportion of circumcised and uncircumcised British men reporting ever being diagnosed with any STI. Found at:[4]
And the results from a study of the US Navy population (XV International AIDS Conference 2004). Found at:[5]. I should add that the Navy also checked for HIV in that study and found no correlation.
Dickson followed his cohort for 32 years. In a 2005 article, Dickson et. al. also looked specifically at HSV.[6] Following a birth cohort of boys to age 26, they tested for HSV serologically and found no association with circumcision and HSV. These results were similar to a separate serological trial conducted on a clinic population India.
Fran K said: "Dr. Tom Wiswell examined the United States (US) Armed Forces records of over 200,000 newborn boys and to his surprise found that uncircumcised boys were 10 to 20 times more likely to develop severe kidney infections in the first year of life."
Get real, UTIs are easily treatable with antibiotics. Girls, who get them like 5x more often than boys are treated that way. Even if you were to believe their numbers, performing 1000 circumcisions would prevent only 9 UTIs all of which could be handled with ABX. A serious UTI, like you describe would require perhaps 1 or two orders of magnitude more circumcisions with all the accompanying chance of complications.
Fran Said: "There’s more, but you get the idea. Male circumcision eliminates ...parents choose circumcision for religious reasons, hygiene or looks. And of course, that is if you get to choose..."
The potential medical benefits are either non-existent or are so far down in the noise they aren't worth the trouble. Looks, wow how shallow are you? And hygiene, I didn't know a somewhat regular bath was difficult for you. How hard do you think it is to get a kid to rub his penis in the shower? Circumcision is a lemon and doesn't buy you anything, that's why no pediatric organization recommends neonatal circumcision. The Danish are just ahead of the human rights curve.
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12-23-2008 @ 7:52PM
Hank 1 said...circumsion was GODS idea if we have A PROBLEM with that take it up with HIM!!!! I believe HE is far, far smarter than we are..........
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1-11-2009 @ 10:42AM
gemeany said...Removing the clitoral hood and foreskin are the same surgery.If one is banned both should be or both should be legal so both sexes have equal rights.
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2-09-2009 @ 11:16PM
Jesse said...I was circumcised out of hedgemony. My dad was, my moms friends all told her that it's healthier. I really really really resent it. I lost much respect for my parents when I grew up to find out about intact genitals and how they function. I think the procedure to be backwards and fundamentally violent as it objectifies the child.
If I wanted to get circumcised, then I would have had my entire life to arrive at that decision. This applies to religious motivations as well; I would want my body to reflect my religious beliefs rather than be a reminder of someone else's beliefs. Beliefs which enact disrespect.
I do not forgive my parents. I will be glad to see male circumcision banned. Sparring a ban, to at least have it heavily discouraged by the medical community at large would be a step in the right direction.
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5-30-2011 @ 6:15PM
Hey said...Seriously? I live in Denmark and I couldn't be more proud. If anyone would put their child trough circumsition, they obviously haven't read up on the facts about what it really does. It's so cruel. Don't believe me? Try watching an actual circumsition. With the actual sound, no music over. Listen to the poor child (Also males) scream in agony and absolute terror as they take two pinchers to hold the foreskin in place and then put a knife down their penis to remove the foreskin from the actual penis and then rip it open. Yes it is done while the child is awake and no it's not just a flap of skin.
Try actually reading up on what it is before you talk about banning it being the bad thing to do.
Keep your kids safe and out of harm - don't circumsize them.
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