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6th Grader Sues Dad Over Grounding - And Wins
Filed under: In The News, Weird But True
The 12-year-old girl's parents are divorced; in the spring of 2008, the girl's mom gave her permission to go on a class trip to Quebec City in June. But the middle-schooler lived with her father, and after she disobeyed daddy's orders to stay off the Internet, he told her she couldn't go. So what did she do? She took him to court. Of course.
A lower court ruled in favor of the girl, who went on the embattled class trip. Her father appealed -- on principle - -and amazingly, the girl won again. The father's attorney, Kim Beaudoin, says that her client is "flabbergasted" and they are considering another appeal, this time to Canada's Supreme Court. But, the attorney adds, the father has no regrets about the court proceedings. "Either way, he doesn't have authority over this child anymore. She sued him because she doesn't respect his rules," Beaudoin said. "It's very hard to raise a child who is the boss."
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Now, I don't know a lot about the law, but I watch enough "Law & Order" to know that one thing that counts in the legal world is precedent. CBC News says that "the appeal court warned [that] the case should not be seen as an open invitation for children to take legal action every time they're grounded." But here's thing: If you don't want someone to consider using your ruling in other cases, maybe you shouldn't make the ruling. And what could the judge's reasoning possibly have been? Lucie Fortin, the Legal Aid lawyer who helped the girl take her pops to court, said that "The trip was very important" to the daughter. How is that a legal argument? Don't parents have the right to punish their children? (This is like making Consensual Living a legal requirement.)
Sadly, the case has destroyed the relationship between the girl and her father. "We went from a child who wanted to live with her father, and after all this has been done, they're not speaking anymore." The father's attorney adds, "We have a lot of work to re-establish a link between those two."
| The court - the dad made the wrong choice. | |
|---|---|
| The father - she deserved to be grounded. | |
| The girl - kids have rights, too! | |
| The whole thing is just ridiculous. |












ReaderComments (Page 5 of 23)
4-09-2009 @ 4:04AM
Janice said...No wonder our countries are SOOOOO screwed up. No wonder our kids are so messed up. No wonder parents are "afraid" of kids - can't even say no and "teach" our children morals, values, rewards and yes consequences of their actions. I hope that judge's kid(s) SUES HIS ASS OFF for just looking at them the wrong way! The legal system needs a MAJOR overhaul.
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4-09-2009 @ 10:20AM
Kevin said...What a load of garbage. People don't always get along and sometimes people (even children) get hurt. That doesn't authorize the children to be in charge. If a child can not follow the rules of the house, then they shouldn't expect to have special privileges. It doesn't matter at all if the Mother said she could go when she wasn't caring for her. Any court that is willing to take a case such as this is just a bunch of puppets.
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4-08-2009 @ 10:34PM
artcamp said...I think that the father used poor judgment in that the punishment should bear more similarity to the crime.
To miss a trip which has so many benefits in terms of socializaiton, broadening one's experences, to name a few constitutes a punishment that is too harsh. There are so many other measures that might have been more appropriate. (Like no internet for 3 weeks, for example.)
It sounds like this child is capable of negotiation. The father should have tried it after seeing that simply denying her access to a class trip far missed the mark in terms of raising a balanced child.
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4-08-2009 @ 11:36PM
acey, poughkeepsie ny said...this is outrageous, kids should not be allowed to sue their parents over being punished let alone any other reason. i agree with most of you that punishing grounding and "my favorite, SPANKING, yes i said spanking not beating" should be the residing parents decision and not be part of the judicial process. nowadays, our kids are weak, introverted, and just dont play outside enuf. it affects their social development. if you, the ultra-protective parent, want to coddle your child and protect them from EVERYTHING you will be very disappointed when they grow up and amount to nothing. WHO ya gunna blame then? AND one more important thing, get your kids their shots and vaccines!!! autism is NOT caused by vaccinations as proven many times by the health officials, your born with it.
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4-08-2009 @ 9:55PM
steve326m said...Oh wow! Oh my Good Lord! I used to live in MA so this wouldn't surprise me. I've slowly watched kids over the last 30 yrs or so become the ones in control. People ask why you don't control them? It's because it's against the law to violate their rights which by the way, they have more than you. I have since moved to The Philippines 1.5 yrs ago and I'll tell you what....Let her try that here! The parents would have literally dragged her by her hair from the court house steps back home, given the beating of her life, locked in a closet for 1 week except for bathroom and meals. Here, kids respect parents and their elders or else. They say yes sir, no sir, yes mam, no mam. Night and day. Spare the and spoil the child is very much in use here. The US needs to return to that time of parental respect. I don't advocate child abuse but I do advocate good proper punishments and parental authority. Maybe then, the world might straighten out instead of 12 yr old kids having a sense of entitlement.
God Bless,
Steve & Myrlita
Bacolod City, PH
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4-08-2009 @ 9:58PM
littleladylady said...What about what the Bible says. It says raise a child in te way you want them to to go and they will not part. It also says that disciplince is very important. There are many kinds of discipline. I believe in grounding as well as spanking. All of them combined are the best. KIds today need are help or they will be in jail or on the streets. We need to set boundaries and guidelines for them.
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4-09-2009 @ 9:04AM
matie1995 said...haha i find this just hilarious
lol
im 13 years old and i can understand the girls case
but my dad is just a bastard and if i had the chance ill sue him
but for a good reason
but taking a dad to court for grounding her and she WON.
is just funny
cuz the judge is retarded to fall for that girls statement
she must have saiid something to make him feel guilty lol
think about it..a 12 years old again her father
Who do u think the judge is gna side with?
yall can say what u want about my comment
but its just hilarious
i feel so bad for the dad lol
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4-08-2009 @ 10:06PM
gd said...The little snot needs a stout whipping, the judge needs to loose his legal liscense to practice law. Pointing out others spelling and grammatical errors are the last refuges of scoundrels, cowards and those not smart enough to formulate any other reply.
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4-08-2009 @ 10:10PM
rmirod said...Whether you realize it or not your public school systems are teaching your child this kind of behavior. Child advocate groups want to remove any authority that parents have in the discipline and instruction of a child. The main groups behind this movement is the homosexual groups who want to nullify any moral component to your child's education.
An undisciplined child learns to be that way from adults who pamper dishonesty and disobedience. In this case the child is guilty of both those infractions and should have suffered the removal of the computer from her access. The grounding though an act of authority didn't relate to the infraction as removing her access from the device.
As the father of a child she should be counseled in how destructive her actions have been to herself and her relationship with her father. If it were me in this situation I wouldn't trust this child ever again and would place her in a educational institution with a bbot camp component, and not in my home town.
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4-10-2009 @ 5:13AM
Rashad said...OMG!
Someone else has finally acknowledged what I was thinking the entire time that I was reading these postings. I know some of you may disagree, but I believe that the homosexual influence that has basically inundated Canadian (and to lesser extent U. S.) society is largely responsible for seeking to impose this kind of value system on societies. In fact, no one should really be surprised when you look at it logically. What does the homosexual lifestyle have to gain from traditional family values as they have always been? Very little to nothing is the answer. On the other hand, if they can infiltrate such professions as public school teaching and social work (which they have done so) they can do major damage to existing and traditional family structures . I suppose in their minds parenting will be better off when children have two moms or two dads for parents. Who knows perhaps their influence extends to the judicial benches as well. God please help us all because I know this is not your doing or your will, but your creations have strayed far into such perversity like the world has never seen.
4-08-2009 @ 10:12PM
gd said...Canada should pay Quebec whatever it takes to get them to form their own country.
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4-08-2009 @ 10:19PM
Mother said...First of all, she wouldn't have went I would have took the consequences for disobeying that order. If we can''t set up consequences for disobedience for our children at 12.
What possibly is going to happen when she is 16. The judge should be responsible for when and or anything happen to this girl until she is an adult. Because he has just taught her, what she seems to already know, that I do not have to listen to you. (her father). But seriously the father needs to try and mend this relationship with his daughter and try to get this relationship back to a parent/child relationship. The mother needs to come together with the father and both agree on some boundaries for this child. If we are going to be parents and have to be responsible for our children to they are adults, the courts need to abide by the same rules they want us to follow.
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4-08-2009 @ 10:16PM
DDupree711 said...The father should have packed her stuff up and hand her and her things over to the judge and said now you have a new daughter.
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4-08-2009 @ 10:30PM
Kris said...I actually agree with the courts and the girl in this case. According to my own lawyer, the judge had every right to do exactly what they did. This is supported by a few reasons. First of all, the girl did nothing illegal. The dad decided to punish a girl for doing something wrong, even though there was no real wrong doing. Children will disobey parents. It's just child nature. The father in this case had no legal ability to override the mother's permission that was granted to this girl about going on this trip. The ONLY possible way in which that could be legal is if both parents had come to a unanimous concensus as per what the punishment should have been. The father was out of line on this one. Any human being can legally take another person to court over any issue assuming they are a legal resident of the region in which the issue has taken place. Therefore, this girl decided that court action was in order, and thusly decided to carry out with court proceedings. Way to go girl! I support you. She has earned respect from myself and the other 15 people living here in the house. Children SHOULD be more like this little girl and fight the opression that parents cast upon them.
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4-08-2009 @ 10:59PM
Sammy said...A 6th grader being grounded from going on a class trip? That hardly sounds like "oppression" to me. And where does it say the mother has legal custody? I've read this article about 5 times though looking for that and all I see is, "But the middle-schooler lived with her father".
4-08-2009 @ 10:30PM
Beatles said...I have a friend who had punished his son (no bodily harm or contact was made), just a grounding. His son threatened to call the police on him and he told his son "Tell them to bring an ambulance because you're gonna need it!". His son shut up and went to his room. Now-a-Days, you'd be put in jail for that.
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4-08-2009 @ 10:37PM
Linda Sue said...Seems to me that the punishment didn't "fit the crime." Yes, of course she deserved a consequence for her disobedience. But if she disobeyed about using the internet, the logical consequence is that the computer be taken away for a lengthy period. Literally - Dad could have removed the modem & stored it at work for a while, or removed the whole computer. That punishment would have a direct relation to her misbehavior, and she might have learned something from it. And if Dad was a pro-active parent, she would have been told ahead of time that if she disobeyed the internet rule, she'd lose the privilege. Same would hold true for cell phone use & curfew - if you don't follow the rules, you lose the privilege. I believe that when the punishment fits the crime, it has more impact.
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4-08-2009 @ 10:49PM
Incognito said...See this is the problem. Instead of allowing a parent to be a parent, and set the rules for the household, the legal system seems to always stick their nose where it doesn't belong. When the rules of the household have been set, they are not to be broken. And if they are, then the child must suffer the consequences of their actions. I agree with the father. The internet is also a place where predators lurk. Instead of informing the child that the word of the parent stands, the court cowed down to the will of the child. This is why kids do what they do. Why should we even bother as parents, when we can be overruled by the courts? But then, when the child goes contrary to the law, who is the first person the courts want to blame? Oh, of course it is all the parents fault. The court, the judge, whoever, should have sent that child home, with her father and deal with his decision, and hers which was her disobediance.
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4-08-2009 @ 10:38PM
Zeke said...Your post makes no sense. That would be like me saying that because your post is full of spelling and grammatical errors, you automatically qualify as a bad parent. However, that's not true. But then, neither, necessarily, are the things you say about the father. My guess is, given the fact that the daughter was living with him, he was a damn better father than her mother was a mother.
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4-08-2009 @ 10:38PM
Victor said...Quebec is nice-it should stay where it is or move to France.
If this brat is legally entitled not to follow her fathers rules, then he should pack her butt off to mom who no doubt precipitated this fiasco.
Then he should take the brat to court to relieve himself of any financial responsibility.
PS a poster named Mindy asked if Obama would allow this-I think she meant would Mrs President allow Pres.Obama to allow that? we all know who wears the pants in the Whitehouse-don't we?
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