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Reality Check: Kate Gosselin is a Good Mom
by Susan Avery
Kate Gosselin is not crazy for keeping her marriage band on her left ring finger. She is not an emotional basket case for tearing up publicly a few times lately. And she's certainly not a lunatic to check on who's baby-sitting her young children.
Kate is a mother going through a divorce.
With that misery – be it public or private – comes waves of feelings that need time to process. You don't have to be a trained therapist to understand the upheaval involved in a breakup, especially one that involves children. The initial shock of it all feels like you're swimming underwater. You can see, but things seem fuzzy. You can think, but your certainty can't be trusted. You can stand, but you're always wobbly. And you definitely can't breathe.
What you have are your instincts.
That's what Kate went on last month when she came by the house during Jon's time with the kids. The two – of TLC's Jon & Kate Plus Eight – have a custodial agreement worked out, called a bird's nest in matrimonial-court parlance, where the children remain in the family home and the parents take turns living there.
Back in August, Kate found out that someone she didn't know was baby-sitting her children and she went to the home to eyeball the woman. According to reports, Jon wouldn't let her in the house and the police were called. None of this happened in front of the kids and no arrests were made.
Last week on ABC's "The View," Kate was a guest host and she was called on the carpet by Whoopi Goldberg to defend what she did. Her response was honest, responsible and classy. She said she was uncomfortable not knowing who was minding the kids. She also said she was wrong to do it. Never once did she bash Jon.
Granted, in a legal sense, Kate was wrong. But in a maternal sense, she was as right as rain. If a parent has the feeling that something is not kosher, it's that parent's obligation to check it out. No one, including Jon, has accused Kate of going to the house and acting like a raving madwoman. She didn't pull a wacky move like banging down the door with an ax, or bringing camera crews with her, or make a production of it by involving the police. She went there to find out who's in control of her kids.
Control is the keyword here. As the stay-at-home parent who was always in control of her kids, Kate is now going through a very normal withdrawal phase. Her precious brood is now under someone else's care part of the time. We don't know how she found out that a stranger was watching her kids and what lead up to her knocking on the door. I'm going to venture a guess: I'm thinking that she called Jon and he wasn't particularly forthcoming with the information. Or, he offered up the name of the baby sitter and it raised her antennae. Any good mother would be concerned.
Since the court papers are sealed, no one is privy to the custody agreement. But I can almost guarantee this much: There's a provision in there that says something about joint decision-making over the kids lives. If Kate was not part of the decision on choosing that baby sitter, she had every right to check it out. Period.
When news of their divorce hit back in June, Jon said, "This will be a difficult transition for all of us ... We are no different than other couples and parents who are facing a crossroads in their marriage."
Exactly my point. This goes on every day with parents in passage out of their marriages. Let's stop beating up on Kate. She may be a reality-TV mom, but she's also a human being.
Sorry, Kate, This is About The Law, Not Your 'Instincts'
by Tom Henderson
The hardest things to do in a divorce where children are involved is to cut through emotion and deal with reality.
This is especially true when the children are the two people getting divorced.
Listening to reality-show parents Jon and Kate Gosselin snipe at each other, you just want to pull the car over and tell them to forget it. No one gets ice cream today.
These people need to seriously grow up before they can be truly functional parents to their eight children. Kate appeared on ABC's "The View" last week to, among other things, explain why she violated her agreement with Jon by showing up at the house on the day he had custody of the kids. She wanted to know who the new baby sitter was. This made Kate's spider sense tingle. She drove over to the house, she said, and sobbed at the gate. She says she knows she was wrong. She says she learned her lesson.
Not really.
She still maintains a mother must listen to her instincts, that both parents should be equally involved in the hiring of baby sitters. This isn't about her relationship with Jon. Oh, by the way, did she mention he is a no-good %#@?
The facts are, like it or not, you give up a certain amount of control over your children in a divorce. You have to trust that the other parent will make good decisions. As long as the person is not physically or psychologically abusive, butt out.
That applies to hiring baby sitters. Kate never met this woman. She had no reason to feel uneasy other than her "motherly instincts."
Sorry. Not good enough.
If she had serious misgivings, she could have -- should have -- called in outside authorities to investigate.
The fact that she ended up sobbing at the gate proves she was operating on emotion rather than reason. Loving instincts are important. They separate Mary Poppins from Cruella De Vil. However, you don't throw reason out with the bath water.
At some point, you have trust your ex is not going to eat your young. Don't second guess the parent on the front lines. The first commandment of being a noncustodial parent is, "Thou shalt not futz around with the agreement."
You turn over control when you turn over custody. So does your ex. Custody is a matter of law, not instinct.
It's reality. Deal with it.











ReaderComments (Page 2 of 21)
9-23-2009 @ 6:22PM
Miriam A Stewart said...I have been an avid viewer of the show since the beginning. Since the beginning Kate has always shown her emotional and physical support in putting the kids first. In doing this she inadvertinely alienated Jon to the bottom of her list of priorities. Jon in turn reacted to his deflated ego by getting his attention elsewhere instead of confronting the issues head on. His imagination for projects have all been revolving around the things he likes to do or want, rather than what the kids like to do or want. Riding bikes, he rides off and leaves them, Playing golf, he golfs while the kids go off on their own, Snowboarding and sking he only takes one (1) of the eight (8) with him. Fishing, he baits the hook and goes off to fish on his own. Jon is totally self absorbed and this is showing by his actions..NOT his words. Unfortunately the kids have noticed and commented on this also.
9-23-2009 @ 9:56PM
eshansen45 said...There's a difference between "instinct" and "suspicion"...I know. I've been there.
9-23-2009 @ 11:30PM
honeychildlor said...I AGREE WITH YOU 100% EVERYONE IS MAKING JOHN OUT TO BE THE BAD GUY, BECAUSE HE IS LEAVING HER AND THE BAD EXPERIENCES DEALING WITH HER IN THE PAST OR DISTANCE. oN ON HIS SIDE SHE IS NOTHING BUT A PHONEY PERSON AND A CONTROL FREAK AND IT WAS HER DECISION TO GET THEM BOTH IN THAT PREDICTAMENT!
9-24-2009 @ 12:04AM
Patricia said...I think Kate's instincts are correct and she should expect Jon to intentionally use the children to challenge her authority as their parent and to use the laws of shared custody to stick it to her.
Unfortunately, my children and I suffered the same, after I divorced my husband who had never been involved with my children during our marriage. After we divorced, my ex-husband married a stripper and forced her upon my children and by extension - me. Who my ex-husband married was his business; that he let this woman insinuate herself, her vulgarity, hostility and jealousy on our children, became mine. Divorce a passive aggressive vindictive low-life and sadly, know that he's going to use your children to get back at you because you kicked him to the curb.
9-24-2009 @ 12:24AM
Glenice Pieske said...Citygirl1178 I am wih you 100%. I still watch the show hoping things will change. I think they are getting worse at least on Kates' part. That movie night with the popcorn was awful with her singsong voice. It was good to see her getting her oldest helping her prepare the vegtables in the next one. I did enjoy the fishing episodes. The unproductive one followed by a good time catching fish. I think Jon is trying and I don't think he has ever not loved or not taken part in caring for his children. I do believe Kate has, when she still felt Jon worthy, left him to make many capable descisions while she went her merry way on her book tours. Has he suddenly changed so much she can't trust his methods anymore? I am the oldest of 9 children. My mother and dad raised us in the 50's. We all graduated from school and many of us went on to college and or the military. We didn't need a reality show to get us thru. We had a 4 bedroom home. 5 children slept in 1 room in 2 sets of bunk beds and a single bed. Only dad worked out of the home. He was a Vetranarian so we did pay our bills and some of the farmers paid their bills with produce and meat raised on their farms. After the children are all in school, I don't see why Kate can't go back to work and still raise those children out of the limelight. That many children make them tax free. Just a thought. I really don't want to see that great group of children hurt any more than need be by all this.
9-24-2009 @ 8:25PM
Stage Tech said...I am supporting a family of six, twin 17 yr olds, twin 2 yr olds, my g/f and myself. As we were struggling to support ourselves when it was just her three kids,and us. The addition of the second set of twins was a shock (mom is a cancer survivor and had been told by the "experts" that it couldn't happen). I Watched the show because it was conforting to see someone else was doing their best to cope.
I stopped watching when Kate was trying to justify taking all the free gifts from viewers. At that point it was no longer about the kids to her. The green eyed monster was in control of her and it became all about how much she could get. Instead of playing the hand she was dealt, she is stacking the deck. Jon was lucky to get out before the emotional abuse got any worse. If anyone talked to me the way she does to him,I would be trying to get away from it myself.
9-24-2009 @ 1:15AM
ga5457 said...Would someone please tell me why these two are still in the news. Does anyone really care what goes on with them?
9-24-2009 @ 3:14AM
crissy said...Wait....she didnt have to cut his balls off, he was the lame ass that handed them right over, no questions asked. You get what you ask for, and he never spoke up. This his stupid ass fault, youre a grown ass man and now .... and NOW 8 kids later-- you decide that you cant take it anymore?? Stupid idiot!! you should thought of that before you handed your balls over, before you had 8 kids and before you decided to go on national TV with a show!! So you feel like youre 20's were lost (because of parenthood and marriage??) BOO HOO Grow up Loooooser! That's life!! You take care of business and your family and you MAKE it work. After all it's the life YOU chose!! So now are things better that your tramping all over the country with younger sluts just as stupid as you are Jon? YOUre a fricken idiot whose going around boneing everyone....youre gonna catch something alright...Loser!! Go Kate Go....make him get a real job and make him pay you child support! And maybe he'll realize everything he lost...including his children and wife just to be wild cause he lost his 20's....booo hoo!
9-24-2009 @ 3:19AM
crissy said...crissy 9-24-2009 @ 3:14AM
Wait....she didnt have to cut his balls off, he was the lame ass that handed them right over, no questions asked. You get what you ask for, and he never spoke up. This his stupid ass fault, youre a grown ass man and now .... and NOW 8 kids later-- you decide that you cant take it anymore?? Stupid idiot!! you should thought of that before you handed your balls over, before you had 8 kids and before you decided to go on national TV with a show!! So you feel like youre 20's were lost (because of parenthood and marriage??) BOO HOO Grow up Loooooser! That's life!! You take care of business and your family and you MAKE it work. After all it's the life YOU chose!! So now are things better that your tramping all over the country with younger sluts just as stupid as you are Jon? YOUre a fricken idiot whose going around boneing everyone....youre gonna catch something alright...Loser!! Go Kate Go....make him get a real job and make him pay you child support! And maybe he'll realize everything he lost...including his children and wife just to be wild cause he lost his 20's....booo hoo!
9-24-2009 @ 3:57AM
Brenda said...Are you SERIOUSLY going to defend Jon and blame Kate for his not having balls? First of all, if she could have trusted him not to BAG every nanny under 25 years old, maybe I could see your point. AND, if he had been more of a help to her in raising those 8 kids, maybe she wouldn't have had to treat him like the 9th. I have NO sympathy for a man who whines about how his wife controlled him, didn't allow him to see his family, etc. He should have been a man, OR perhaps she had good reasons, you don't have any idea, and neither do I. What I can say is I watched that show from its inception and I saw the playful slaps she gave Jon, and I saw him LOVING IT. He giggled and nuzzled her neck and she was never slapping him to hurt him, poor little Jon. If I were married to that man, I would have hit him in the side of the head with a brick!
9-24-2009 @ 10:47PM
Mothra said...You're kidding right? She's the bad guy? This immature, whiny, self-centered, egocentric, moron with all the hormones and dignity of a horny 16 year old hops from one innappropriate whore to the next to get some sort of "satisfaction" because he's embarassed that the TV persona he created for himself to sell his show and make him rich is now being perceived as whipped and he thinks he can rectify his image by sleeping around with skanks and getting EZ Pass for a few Go-Go Bars? And she's the bad guy? Maybe she wouldn't have had to be such a disciplinarian with him during their marriage if he acted like an adult. If his current public behavior which is humiliating to his children and his own family, not to mention his ex-wife, is any indication of his emotional maturity, then she should have been even stricter with him. He needs a babysitter himself to stop him from humiliating himself in the media any more.
9-24-2009 @ 11:03PM
Diane said...I disagree. Kate needs to keep doing what she is doing. Everytime Jon has the kids he is off on his 4 wheeler, someone gets hurt, he leaves a child standing in a busy parking lot while he goes to get an umbrella. Excuse me, are you trying to get your child hit or stolen. Pick the child up and take it with you. He is a bad role model for these children. He demonstrates bad choices, impulsive decisions and actions, and does not, I repeat HE DOES NOT PUT THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CHILDREN FIRST. How could he when he acts like an overgrown child having temper tantrums.
9-24-2009 @ 11:04PM
Mothra said...Jon is an ass. And now everyone knows it, not just the poor hapless woman he had 8 kids with and abandon to get his ego stroked.
9-25-2009 @ 1:38PM
nettie said...You call what Jon is doing is being a man???? Seriously??? He gets an apartment in NYC far away from where his children are living and travels around the world with much younger women throwing swimming parties. He is a man enjoying and taking advantage of his celebrity status that he would not have if it were not for his show. He doesnt really care what the children hear about what he says about their mother or what he is doing. I hope his 15 minutes of fames ends soon. HE IS A LOSER.
9-23-2009 @ 2:16PM
bremer916 said...Here is an idea......stop talking about them. I know that this is great entertainment for a lot of people and TLC, magazines, and shows like "extra" are making a lot of money talking about this family. But they will do anything to make a big deal about these people to put more money in their pockets. They do not care about the effect this will have on the kids 10 years from now but only about the money in their pockets. For the parents to say its for the kids is not longer a valid point. People know how much they make each episode and each book signing. If they are that worried about money then sign a deal with TLC to do a once a year reunion type show. If only there was a way to stop handing out thousands even millions of dollars to people who just let cameras follow them around a couple times a week and find a way to get it to the people who actually need it. There were 3 familes that go to my church that had over 10 kids and they all managed to survive with one parent working. John and Kate have Nannys and lots and lots of money so do somethign for the kids and get the cameras away from them.
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9-23-2009 @ 2:57PM
NancyBCrow said...My feelings exactly. Thank you for your comment.
9-24-2009 @ 8:45AM
ChicagoTrue said...I want these 2 people to go away and get out of the news! Enough is enough!
9-23-2009 @ 3:48PM
misskaribabee said...but you read about it AND commented...
9-23-2009 @ 10:43PM
Donna said...I agree! He said, she said and the truth is always entangled. Kate has a right to know who is watching her children, if this person is capable and if her children are being cared for! Jon seems to only want his cake and ice cream. He does not want the woman he fathered his kids with, but does that Kate has to agree with it? No, she is a mother, ballbuster or not. She is a very good mother to check up on the person left in charge with her children.
9-23-2009 @ 2:19PM
Garry said...Kate is a CONTROL FREAK. She kicked Jon out 6 monhs before he even started dating!!! Give me a break! Now she's just ticked she can't control him anymore. Kate is a nutjob!!! And she will continue to milk this for all it's worth. Kate is the one making the celebrity rounds, doing talk shows etc. NOT Jon. He's hounded by papparazi. Kate goes out looking for it!
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