SmackDown: Jon or Kate for Parent of the Year?
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The Gosselin's split has been bitter and public. Whose side are you on? Credit: COP / BuzzFoto / FilmMagic
Reality Check: Kate Gosselin is a Good Mom
by Susan Avery
Kate Gosselin is not crazy for keeping her marriage band on her left ring finger. She is not an emotional basket case for tearing up publicly a few times lately. And she's certainly not a lunatic to check on who's baby-sitting her young children.
Kate is a mother going through a divorce.
With that misery – be it public or private – comes waves of feelings that need time to process. You don't have to be a trained therapist to understand the upheaval involved in a breakup, especially one that involves children. The initial shock of it all feels like you're swimming underwater. You can see, but things seem fuzzy. You can think, but your certainty can't be trusted. You can stand, but you're always wobbly. And you definitely can't breathe.
What you have are your instincts.
That's what Kate went on last month when she came by the house during Jon's time with the kids. The two – of TLC's Jon & Kate Plus Eight – have a custodial agreement worked out, called a bird's nest in matrimonial-court parlance, where the children remain in the family home and the parents take turns living there.
Back in August, Kate found out that someone she didn't know was baby-sitting her children and she went to the home to eyeball the woman. According to reports, Jon wouldn't let her in the house and the police were called. None of this happened in front of the kids and no arrests were made.
Last week on ABC's "The View," Kate was a guest host and she was called on the carpet by Whoopi Goldberg to defend what she did. Her response was honest, responsible and classy. She said she was uncomfortable not knowing who was minding the kids. She also said she was wrong to do it. Never once did she bash Jon.
Granted, in a legal sense, Kate was wrong. But in a maternal sense, she was as right as rain. If a parent has the feeling that something is not kosher, it's that parent's obligation to check it out. No one, including Jon, has accused Kate of going to the house and acting like a raving madwoman. She didn't pull a wacky move like banging down the door with an ax, or bringing camera crews with her, or make a production of it by involving the police. She went there to find out who's in control of her kids.
Control is the keyword here. As the stay-at-home parent who was always in control of her kids, Kate is now going through a very normal withdrawal phase. Her precious brood is now under someone else's care part of the time. We don't know how she found out that a stranger was watching her kids and what lead up to her knocking on the door. I'm going to venture a guess: I'm thinking that she called Jon and he wasn't particularly forthcoming with the information. Or, he offered up the name of the baby sitter and it raised her antennae. Any good mother would be concerned.
Since the court papers are sealed, no one is privy to the custody agreement. But I can almost guarantee this much: There's a provision in there that says something about joint decision-making over the kids lives. If Kate was not part of the decision on choosing that baby sitter, she had every right to check it out. Period.
When news of their divorce hit back in June, Jon said, "This will be a difficult transition for all of us ... We are no different than other couples and parents who are facing a crossroads in their marriage."
Exactly my point. This goes on every day with parents in passage out of their marriages. Let's stop beating up on Kate. She may be a reality-TV mom, but she's also a human being.
Sorry, Kate, This is About The Law, Not Your 'Instincts'
by Tom Henderson
The hardest things to do in a divorce where children are involved is to cut through emotion and deal with reality.
This is especially true when the children are the two people getting divorced.
Listening to reality-show parents Jon and Kate Gosselin snipe at each other, you just want to pull the car over and tell them to forget it. No one gets ice cream today.
These people need to seriously grow up before they can be truly functional parents to their eight children. Kate appeared on ABC's "The View" last week to, among other things, explain why she violated her agreement with Jon by showing up at the house on the day he had custody of the kids. She wanted to know who the new baby sitter was. This made Kate's spider sense tingle. She drove over to the house, she said, and sobbed at the gate. She says she knows she was wrong. She says she learned her lesson.
Not really.
She still maintains a mother must listen to her instincts, that both parents should be equally involved in the hiring of baby sitters. This isn't about her relationship with Jon. Oh, by the way, did she mention he is a no-good %#@?
The facts are, like it or not, you give up a certain amount of control over your children in a divorce. You have to trust that the other parent will make good decisions. As long as the person is not physically or psychologically abusive, butt out.
That applies to hiring baby sitters. Kate never met this woman. She had no reason to feel uneasy other than her "motherly instincts."
Sorry. Not good enough.
If she had serious misgivings, she could have -- should have -- called in outside authorities to investigate.
The fact that she ended up sobbing at the gate proves she was operating on emotion rather than reason. Loving instincts are important. They separate Mary Poppins from Cruella De Vil. However, you don't throw reason out with the bath water.
At some point, you have trust your ex is not going to eat your young. Don't second guess the parent on the front lines. The first commandment of being a noncustodial parent is, "Thou shalt not futz around with the agreement."
You turn over control when you turn over custody. So does your ex. Custody is a matter of law, not instinct.
It's reality. Deal with it.
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ReaderComments (Page 4 of 21)
9-23-2009 @ 3:53PM
hywibb said...Anyone has every right 2 know WHO(/are they licensed/criminal background/etc.IT'S THE LAW!) IS SUPERVISING THEIR CHILDREN WHEN THEIR ABSENT.I am very familiar with the laws,cpservices,etc.I think old Jon is letting his EGO get the best of him cause with the NANNY reporting this the judge has grounds to take away/change the present custody order.I hope Kate gets her day in court. Jon needs to just act his AGE. HE ACTS LIKE HE'S GOING THRU SOME MIDDLE AGE CRISIS ? ! LIKE THEY SAY~"what comes around goes around" god i hope so.
9-23-2009 @ 2:34PM
Dee said...I vehemently disagree with Mr. Henderson. If a new care giver is hired, both parties should agree and feel confident with that person. As parents that is what we are called to do - protect and care for our children - NO EXCEPTIONS! A divorce should NEVER excuse this policy. If Mr. Henderson is a parent he should understand this. It is as much an issue of law and reason as it is emotion. Once something were to happen it is too late to go back and correct it. If your child were going to a sleepover wouldn't you make sure you checked the surroundings and details? If not, then you should re-evaluate your parenting. The same goes for ANYONE coming into the home. Besides, given Jon's recent behavior, I am not sure I would trust his judgement so easily.
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9-23-2009 @ 3:37PM
franibarra said...I totally agree with your statement. It should be up to BOTH parents to decide who cares for the kids. He has proven that he isn't capable to keep it in his pants and a mother's instinct is NEVER wrong.
9-23-2009 @ 3:50PM
misskaribabee said...I soo agree with you, Dee. No matter how much of a b*tch people claim Kate was, NO ONE can deny that Jon's recent actions and associations are extremely suspect. Kate wasn't trying to "control" Jon on this incident -- That was like the 3rd or 4th "woman" that Jon had been with since the split.
She wanted to check on her kids. I would have done the same. Jon is pathetic. He has plenty of time (and an expensive apartment of his own) to hang out and ho around. He didn't need to bring that over in put it in the kids' faces.
9-23-2009 @ 2:36PM
Anita said...Is this the same babysitter that Jon is being accused of sleeping with while the kids were home?
I think Kate was over the top on earlier episodes when speaking to Jon. However, I have seen quite a few episodes were Jon is pretty snippey with Kate too. I think raising 8 young children is very stressful and it spilled over into their marriage unfortunetly. I do think Kate is taking a higher road at this time than Jon is though.
I have a friend who had three children and then triplets, one with severe handicaps. After two or three yrs of caring for the children she went off the deep end. She moved away from her family and began partying...HARD and sleeping around. After a few months she woke up and went back to her family. I wonder if Jon isn't experiencing the same thing. Only problem is, his antics are being splashed all over the place and I don't think he will have a home to go back to.
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9-23-2009 @ 2:38PM
R said...Gee-e-e what can I say -- an old saying "you never 'sleep' with anyone tonight that you don't want to have custody of your kids on the weekends" -- what was Kate thinking some 10 years ago????
Or, was she thinking ................... good grief!!!!!!!
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9-23-2009 @ 2:38PM
Moe said...Why doesn't Kate save the money she pays to hired help and stay home and take care of her children?
Then, she would not have to worry about who is baby sitting the children.
She is the one who chose to have all those children, knowing she would have a hard time supporting them.
She should give up the fantasy and raise her own children. She doesn't want any family memeber making money off of them but she will pay strangers to care for them, plus she is living the good life because of exploiting her children.
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9-23-2009 @ 3:28PM
Brianne said...Hmmm.....maybe you don't quite understand. Kate DOES watch her kids when she has CUSTODY of them. When it is Jon's turn for custody.....SHE HAS NO SAY in the matter. Jon is the one who hired the babysitter in question to watch the kids during HIS time of custody. I read an article about this a while back where Kate states that she feels it's ridiculous that her kids are being cared for by a babysitter (a woman that was just introduced into their lives no less) when she is only mere miles away and would happily take care of the kids during that time. BUT......she is not ALLOWED to. Get it now?
9-23-2009 @ 3:30PM
Brianne said...One more thing....it is not just Kate "living the good life". JON has been flitting all over Europe recently w/ his new girl friend. They have BOTH benefitted from being reality stars. A choice they BOTH made for their family. So if you find fault in that.....you should find fault in both parents. On top of that......the kids are "living the good life" too. Yes, they are dealing w/ their parents divorce...but that might have happened w/ or w/o reality TV. Meanwhile, those kids have a GREAT life and the best of everything. They have gone on trips and experienced things as children that some adults can only DREAM of doing. They have received so much special treatment everywhere and got to do things most ppl will NEVER do. (going behind the scenes at Disney Land or the Zoo....getting up close and personal views of things that are far above the norm. And I'm sure that each one of those kids will not have to worry about paying for college either. So the kids are also benefitting.
9-23-2009 @ 2:54PM
nanaangiej said...I feel that Kate is an control freek. I have noticed this since I started watching their show. She must always be in charge.
The way she treated Jon was terrible. He was like a person being paid. Not treated like a father. You can see they both love their children very much. She tries to out do Jon. I don't blame him for leaving her. He didn't leave his children. I hope they come to an understanding for their children.
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9-23-2009 @ 2:47PM
JIM said...The arangement that they have with the kids is as bogus of an agreement as you can get... What stabilty do these children have with a floating parent agreement..Who ever thought that one up should lose their license to practice law..
Myself I think is a freaking wussie and should be kicked off the show for ethnic reasons...
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9-23-2009 @ 3:27PM
cas said...AMEN!
9-23-2009 @ 2:50PM
JIm said...JON IS A WUSSIE...
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9-23-2009 @ 2:51PM
Kim said...I'm just wondering why John felt the need to go out and leave the kids with a babysitter on a day he had the children...I'm going to hope it was for a justified reason and not just because he was trampin' around with his girlfriend. Perhaps, John needs a babysitter. He seems to have missed the growing up phase. If you have limited time with your children, why leave them behind with a babysitter?
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9-23-2009 @ 3:24PM
Ellen said...Gee, I think we should be asking Kate that question as well. Seems that neither of them actually "stay" at home with the kids when it is their turn. Jon just can't seem to get enough play time with the "squeeze du jour" and Kate can't get enough of book signings, guest hosting, manicures, etc. etc. They both need to grow up and do some parenting and for heavens sake turn the cameras off!
9-23-2009 @ 2:54PM
Susan said...If Jon had custody of the kids, he should be there with them. I think JOn is more interested in being a "player" than a dad -we've seen him (unfortunately way too much) all over the place with lots of different women - and if I were Kate I wouldn't trust him - or his choice of baby sitter either. Didn't he have sex with a previous baby sitter? Kate is right to be concerned about who's caring for her children - obviously Jon isn't.
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9-23-2009 @ 3:02PM
melanie cousin said...i have been watching jon and kate plus eight since she was pregnant///she has always had an air about her that she was the queen and what ever she said jon had better jump//she was always snapping at him and telling him to quit acting like a little boy//she would make me angry in just hearing the way she talked to him on camera, imagine what went on behind the cameras
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9-23-2009 @ 2:56PM
jean said...Hi people - did anyone watch last season show ending. Jon was out then. We learn in June of the split. The split or as Jon said last season-end he was going or looking at different directions to go in. That he was not happy. Wake up people. He was the stay at one person - she was on the go all year. Now she is at home and is not happy about it. You see her doing more now with the kids than the last 4 years.
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9-23-2009 @ 10:23PM
mommysteph0891 said...ok so jon and kate agreed that he be a stay home parent so that she can be the one to work and travel...so that gives jon the right to now act like a teenager and hire babysitters so he can go out to a bar and take out his gf's? if it's your turn w/ the kids...STAY HOME AND SPEND TIME W/ THEM! divorce is hard enough on them already!
9-23-2009 @ 2:58PM
T said...Seriously....WHO are these people and where did they come from?
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