11-Year-Old's Lunch Trip to Hooters Causes A Stir Over Tweens and Sex
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When a Virginia father took his son, right, and his son's friend, left, to Hooters for lunch, it touched off a lively national debate on sexuality and tweens. Credit: Carol Anne Elston
"The trip to Hooters, I saw as an opportunity to see how he conducts himself around women. If he drooled and couldn't take his eyes of the waitress, then that would be an unmistakable cue to me to start preparing another birds and the bees talk. If he acted embarrassed and shy, then that would be a sign that such a pointed talk could wait a bit. So what happened?" Elston wrote.The post has already garnered thousands of views and also landed Elston on National Public Radio and in USA Today, where he called the lunch "an opportunity to check on my own son's development, or lack thereof, in a real world setting."
Elston shared his thoughts on blogging, the development of sexuality and parenting tweens in an email interview with ParentDish.
ParentDish: What drove you to blog about taking your son to Hooters?
Bob Elston: I started blogging about parenting four months ago because being a parent is probably both one of the most frustrating and fun things you can do with your life. Those of us who raise kids learn quickly that our window to guide and influence them is surprisingly short. We need to use our time wisely before our kids grow up, go to school and become independent adults with their own ideas.
PD: Were you surprised at the reaction that your story inspired?
BE: Yes and no. Yes, because my parenting blog used to be an obscure speck on the Internet, read only by a few dozen friends of mine and a couple of extremely bored Internet surfers who happened to stumble upon it. I never imagined that 4,000 people in a day would read it. On the other hand, I am not surprised because "'sexuality" and "our children" is a universal issue that all parents think about and strategize what is best for their own children. The topic is also a red-meat issue that divides society in general.
As a blogger, I find it most interesting to write about issues in which both sides have valid arguments and that we, as parents, must make a choice with trade-offs. Sex is one of those issues. Parents, at some point, have to get off the fence and decide whether they are comfortable with being open and honest and giving their children the right information about sex, or whether they want to try to protect their children from sexual images and information and accept the risk that their kids will find out about it from their friends, movies, television and the Internet. We all know that most 11-year-olds out there are curious and will find out about sex with or without their parents' help.
PD: Had you frequented Hooters without your son before?
BE: I had been to one probably a decade ago with friends for a drink after an NBA basketball game. I also went once with my dad while we were in Atlantic City for a boxing match. I myself don't find Hooters very titillating, and there are tons better places to have a beer and watch a game on TV.
ParentDish: Were you surprised at your son's reaction? It sounds like he was oblivious.
Bob Elston: I wasn't too surprised because I know my son very well. But I also know that as a boy in sixth grade, changes are coming and puberty is just around the corner. I talked to my son's sixth grade teacher, who said that this is the grade when everything changes for a lot of kids. They start the school year thinking that their opposite has cooties and by the end of the school year, they have a different attitude. That is the way it was for me. For now, though, his reaction was probably typical of an 11-year-old before the changes, and that is awkwardness.
PD: The photo shows a fairly average-looking young woman, as far as body type goes, but still people were inflamed. Why do you think that is?
BE: I think the sexual ingredient gets people inflamed. If I had blogged about taking a 10-year-old to a PG-13 movie, or allowing an 11-year-old to play mature video games, the reaction would have been far less.
As for the photo, I posted it so that readers wouldn't conjure up in their minds an image that was at odds with reality. Apparently a lot of people who made comments on my blog seemed to lump Hooters in with strip clubs and assume that Hooters waitresses are bad people. I think you can see from the picture that the Hooters uniform isn't all that revealing and their waitresses are just like anyone else. To me, a picture of an 11-year-old boy and a 20-something waitress is non-threatening because, after all, what can possibly happen between them? I was a bit uncomfortable putting my son's face out there, but my wife and I agreed that it was worthwhile to make a point.
I think probably that individual reader reactions are determined not so much by the attractiveness of the waitress, but rather their own attitudes. For those who see this lunch primarily as an issue of sexuality and morality, they might be uncomfortable with introducing an 11-year-old into the discussion.
ParentDish: You wrote that your son later approached you and said that he was being teased for going to Hooters. Did you feel like you had created an awareness of sexuality that maybe wasn't there before?
Bob Elston: I think the teasing part is the thing that most concerns an 11-year-old prepubescent boy. But my son is a mature boy and is growing up in a family that likes to joke around a lot. He doesn't mind being teased about most things, but when it comes to girls he gets sensitive to the teasing.
ParentDish: Do you regret taking him to Hooters?
Bob Elston: I don't regret it. It was a pretty harmless situation in my view. He was there not only with his own dad, but his grandparents, a friend from the neighborhood and that friend's father. I called my wife and got her approval. We were there at lunchtime with a lot of other families. If the situation was different -- say, if we went late at night when there is no kids and the beer is flowing freely -- then I wouldn't so much as regret it but not do it in the first place. As soon as he walked into the place and took one look around, his curiosity was satisfied and he now sees no reason to go back. As a parenting outcome, I'll take it.
ParentDish: Do you regret writing the blog post?
Bob Elston: No, I don't regret it. I write a parenting blog and this is an important parenting issue. After all, in the Internet age, anyone can be a blogger and anyone can be a critic. I actually don't mind the criticism.
I think that despite the divisiveness around this particular issue, we parents all have the same goal in mind. That is we are all trying to raise our children to grow into thoughtful, responsible and happy adults capable of making good decisions without Mom and Dad there to guide them. The trick for parents is to figure out a unique route to that common end point.
The only part I do regret is that all this attention means I risk being known as the 'Hooters Dad' when, in fact, there are so many other parenting topics that I write about that seem to me more important to me.
ParentDish: After everything that happened after your post and knowing what you know now, would you do it again, and would you write about it? Why or why not?
Bob Elston: I don't regret it. That said, I don't think any parent should do something with their kids because some obscure blogger that nobody has ever heard of said it was OK. Each of us have to think about what is best for our kids and make the call for ourselves.
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ReaderComments (Page 5 of 20)
11-12-2009 @ 8:35PM
Kay said...What do you guys think about twelve-year-old tweens dating?
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11-12-2009 @ 8:45PM
Ashram said...So long as you teach and tell them what they need to know so they can proceed with wisdom and you are confident that you can trust them, then there is no problem with "tweens" going on a date.
To be sure, of course, there should be some adult supervision to provide some guidance because they are still young children, aside from the fact that you need to defend your children from any strangers that may take advantage of them when they're by themselves.
But, they need to learn and the best way for anyone, including kids, to learn is from experience. The experience will teach kids to temper their urges and make wise decisions in their relationships in the future.
Many kids end up being teen fathers and mothers because they never had the guidance and experience to help them control themselves and make the right choices. This occurs when you SHIELD your kids excessively from life.
11-12-2009 @ 8:41PM
Trisha said...I find it interesting that everyone wants to say that hooters has nothing to do with sexy women and sexuality; but, remember when men tried to get a job there & were denied. And, if it isn't about selling sex, why do the women where such skimpy clothing. Why are the ads and billboards showing them in skin tight short shorts and tight cleavage showing tops? It is all about sex sells. Plus, most of the posts here talk about taking their boys, NOT their girls there for the experience. I still think that using women as sex objects is a bad idea to portray to boys or girls. And, where are the restaurants with skimpy clad men?
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11-12-2009 @ 8:50PM
Ashram said..."Where are the restaurants with skimpy clad men?"
Ever heard of "Chippendales?"
11-13-2009 @ 1:05AM
Beth said...Trisha,
While I do agree that women should not be treated as sex objects, Wake Up Sweetie! Come back into the real world and look around you. It isn't just Hooters that is guilty of this. I have taken my daughter and my son there. We sit there and talk about their body shapes ect. I have found that my daughter feels more comfortable in her own skin knowing that although she may not have a body like theirs, she is still beautiful and is comfortable in her own skin. My son really doesn't care, he just wants to fill the empty pit that is his stomach. I also agree, where are the restaurants with the men in g-strings and bowties? But then, we would be writing about taking our daughters there wouldn't we?
11-12-2009 @ 8:37PM
jo said...I am female and over 50. When I was 10, I had accompanied my parents and a group of their friends to The Playboy Mansion. Back then, they had dinner clubs. I accompanied the group to the Mansion. It was the first time I had filet mignon and I can still remember how nice the Bunnies were to me-- they packed up a cup and saucer (which I still have) and napkins and drink stirrers with the bunny heads. I can remember thinking how nice they all were to me. I can even remember one of them pointing her finger at one of the customers who touched her bunny tail and said, sire, you can look, but don;t touch! Well, when I got back to my parochial school I made the mistake of telling the nuns. I dont know what made them madder, me going to the Mansion or trying to tell the nuns how nice the bunnies were. I turned out fine and have been married to the same man for over 23 years. Good for this Dad!
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11-12-2009 @ 8:41PM
ANGI said...I don't know where some of you people live, but in Northern California, you see more skin on a girl at the bus stop! Not to mention on any regular TV show. He could have used ANY opportunity to talk to his kid, the point is he found a subtle way to see if his kid was ready. That in and of itself is great parenting.
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11-12-2009 @ 8:39PM
CH0511 said...These people that are all upset about him taking his children to Hooters would absolutely come unglued if they were to walk into the Hooters here in Odessa, TX...it may as well be a family restaurant!
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11-12-2009 @ 8:43PM
Costa said...I took my son to Dover, DE and a Nascar Racing weekend. Went to the Saturaday BUSCH Race, stayed in Salisbury, MD and drove back to Dover for The Winston Cup Event. Guess What ?, Breakfast at the now Closed HOOTERS, Yep Two Eggs Sunny Side Up, Toast and Bacon, $4.99 each. Caught the race and started home to find traffic a bear, soooooo back to HOOTERS, My son got his picture with SIX of the skimpy covered gals out front, as well as with some of the Pit Crews etc. The place was full of kids for Breakfast and Dinner. My son still has the pictures and will always remember a long weekend out, with dad and other young children and their familes. What was his age ? 11 / ELEVEN. hmmmm, that father in the news now, seems he's just like a few before him. My wife thought nothing of it and as a family we've been to many HOOTERS locations up and down the East Coast and as far inland as Charlotte, NC. Mr. Elston, I support your reasoning and actions. One dad to another. Costa, MT. Vernon,VA.
PS. I've been to over 40 different HOOTERS across the Country, find this to be a place for Monday / Thursday night specials for Football, 25 cent wings, great shrimp and many other dads that are on the road and away from home for business. Better than getting caught up at a "strip club" or worse.
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11-12-2009 @ 8:40PM
Paula said...I was very hesitant about HOOTERS BEFORE I ACTUALLY WENT THERE. I am a woman and I love to go to Hooters for a couple of beers, wings and FOOTBALL. I went with my boyfriend and we had a blast. The waitresses there are top notch! :) It is an ordinary family restaurant. The waitresses are not slutty. You can see more boobs/clevage at the local mall. Its not a big deal. I would take my five year old there. IT IS ONLY TANK TOPS AND SHORTS PEOPLE.
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11-12-2009 @ 8:42PM
KateOSee said...Good for this dad. We in America are way too uptight about sexuality and don't talk about it with our kids, and then are at a loss as to why there are thirteen year olds getting knocked up. My dad used to take me to Hooters to watch Red Wings games, and I never thought anything odd about it.
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11-12-2009 @ 8:44PM
The ox said...These boys can see a lot more at the beach than at a Hooters. I have seen girls at the mall wearing a lot less.
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11-12-2009 @ 8:42PM
Johnnie said...GOOD FOR HIM!!!! It's about time they write about a parents concern for the way their pre-teen ( I hate the term "tween") child is developing and trying to assist him along the way. Parents should take the responsibility of preparing their "pre-teen" for the changes their about to experience. I had 3 sons I had to pre-pair (I was a single mom for many years)
There was NOTHING wrong with what the dad did, and blogging it on a PARENTS website is a terrific idea! First time parents are clueless and this could be a way of preparing them for what to expect, and it's written FROM a parent.
Hell, I got my sons a stripper when they turned 18...
So sue me!!
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11-12-2009 @ 8:44PM
Bill W. said...So I guess those that have an issue with Hooters will never allow their kids to go to a Public Pool or Beach where girls are wearing much less???? They need to get a grip and grow up!
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11-12-2009 @ 8:43PM
paul said...A friend and I took our sons that were nine to a Hooters before an Oriole game this past year in the Inner Harbor. There were kids and women patrons all over the place. It never even crossed my mind that it would be innapropriate. It was such a normal atmosphere with attractive women serving us. The boys never thought anything was different about the place; nothing was ever brought up. All they wanted to do was eat and get to the game.
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11-12-2009 @ 8:43PM
Kay said...My child wants to start dating, but she is only 12! What should I say? Should I allow her? SHE WANTS TO DATE AND SHE IS 12!!! SHOULD I ALLOW HER??? I told her I would think about it! When I was a KID I HATED THAT ANSWER!!! HELP!!!!
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11-12-2009 @ 8:58PM
Anita said...Mom - your daughter is TOO young to date at age 12. I wanted to date at age 15 and my mom wouldn't let me. Her and dad set my dating age at 16. No ifs ands or buts about it. 16 it was. IMO even that was too early. Kids grow up too fast these days. Have them not rush it. I found out that I'm older a lot longer than I was younger! Boys will still be there when she's 16. And because you make her wait, there will be time to instill in her to have self respect. Just all my opinion. Good luck. I have 3 granddaughters and if I had my way about their parent's parenting skills, they all would have waited till they were 16. But I can't tell my sons a thing! I just hope they have prepared the girls the right way.
11-13-2009 @ 1:12AM
KayJoe said...Dating - No car dating until 16. All other dating must be done with Mom or Dad providing transportation. Maybe even having their own date at same location different table. The most unreasonable thing about my parents sticking to this rule was the fact my youngest sister had to sit in a school parking lot for at least an hour after the school dance got out because I had a flat tire and could not pick her up in time. My Dad would not bend the rule even on that one. This gives practice for car dating and is not a free for for all at 16. No dating until 16 then on your own at 18. To much freedom to fast. You must slowly add freedom to teach. Also teach more about having all sorts of friends (boys & girls). Go out as a group of friends.
11-17-2009 @ 4:04PM
bhoffmann said...There's nothing wrong with going to a Hooters restaurant.
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11-12-2009 @ 9:08PM
Sue said...I think that the dad is using his son for an excuse to check out the babes at Hooters. He could have taken his son to a park or beach instead for this ridiculous "experiment". Nothing against Hooters, dad is just an idiot.
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