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An Ex-Husband's Dying Last Wish
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Judah, age 3, and his mom Victoria Rosner. Credit: Victoria Rosner
What happened to Victoria Rosner is something that would never enter your mind in the realm of possibility. It's not something that would ever pop up in a game of "what if?"
Five years ago her husband of nearly a decade served her with divorce papers when she was seven months pregnant with their son, and gave up any custody of the boy.
After the birth of her son, Judah, she moved to another state and began a new chapter as a single mom. Two years later, her ex-husband called to say he had terminal cancer and would be dead within a year. His dying wish? To get to know his son.
Rosner grappled with his request but ultimately granted it. ParentDish spoke with her, now a full year since his death.
ParentDish: Your recent piece in The New York Times starts with the death of his preschool classroom's goldfish. Can you talk about how your son deals with death in the larger world among his peers and other people he meets or knows?
Victoria Rosner: Judah had a friend come up to him and say, 'I heard your daddy died.' And the kid looked a little scared and said, "Does that mean you're not going see him again?" And my son for some reason was really not in the mood to talk about death so he put his hand on the other kid's shoulder and said, 'Yeah, but it's ok. I'm alive. You're alive. Let's have a playdate.' And the other kid was fine with that and they ran off.
Another time he walked up to a friend of my mother's and said, 'You know, we're all going to die one day.' For him, that was really making conversation. And for her it was very shocking.
Losing a parent, like any other major experience, becomes a part of who you are. I don't think the expectation is, 'Oh, it'll go away,' or 'Oh, we won't talk about it anymore.' It just changes form over time.
PD: It's been a year since your ex-husband died. How is your son, Judah, who just turned 4, dealing with it now?
VR: I've seen my son go from really focusing on the loss of his father -- 'Where's daddy? I miss daddy. I want to see him. I want to talk to him' -- to a broader consideration of what death means and how it enters into his life and affects the people he knows. So there's been this kind of broadening of his understanding. And he still will sometimes say, 'I miss my daddy,' but he's really shifted to a certain extent.
I feel as long as there is development and change, it means he's processing it, taking it in and doing the work that he needs to do to come to terms with his experience. How does a child so young handle both the concept of death and its personal ramifications? I think one of the reasons my son struggles is given his age, cognitively, he just couldn't take in the permanence of death. So initially he asked a lot of questions like, when was his father going to stop dying, or where was he, where had he gone? He was sort of treating like a puzzle he had to solve. I think that understanding the permanence of death is a gradual process for children.
Sometimes he will ask me quite serious questions or say things that I think are quite serious for him like, 'I want us to die together,' and 'Are you going to be sad when I die?' He's really exploring death and its relationship to him and me. Other times I think he takes it in stride. We were at a museum the other day and there was a security guard who mistakenly thought that Judah was there with his dad and said to my son, 'There's your daddy. Go run and catch up.' And Judah stopped and turned to the guard and said, 'My daddy's dead,' and then he ran off to play. So in that sense I think it can be a matter-of-fact thing and something he doesn't need to dwell on if there's something more fun happening.
PD: How do you respond to him when he asks if you're going to be sad when he dies?
VR: I deliberately try to say different things at different times because I feel like there are answers that he's searching for and I want to try different things and see what comforts him the most. So at one point I might say something like, 'You and I are not going to die for a really long time so it's not something we need to worry about.' I might say, 'I'm going to be with you as long as you need me.' Or, I might say, 'Sweetheart, it's 7:30 in the morning, Mommy hasn't had her coffee, I'm not ready to talk about death.' And I think that's really good to say, too, so he understands that death is not something everybody wants to talk about all the time. I think it's my role as a parent to teach him that how the things he says resonate in the world, what's appropriate, how other people feel about what he's saying and doing. So he's finding his place with it.
PD: Have you had him meet with a child psychologist or read any books together that are geared to young children coping with death?
VR: I haven't had my son meet with a therapist -- although that's something I'm totally open to in the future -- but I have talked to therapists to get guidance in talking to young children about death, because it's my son's nature that he is very verbal and he's kind of talking all the time and it's all I can do to get him to stop talking every now and then. I really feel that at this point he's really sharing everything with me that's on his mind and I can try to help him reflect or help answer his questions. He talks to other people about it, too, which I think is good because it's good to get a range of responses.
There are many books that are written to explain death to children. I bought one that was recommended called Lifetimes. It tries to explain death by talking about the life course, everything is born, everything dies. But he quickly came to refer to it as "the dead bug book" or in some cases, "the death book." And at that point we just stopped reading it and kept having our own little conversations about things.
PD: How did you explain to him that his daddy wasn't living with you?
There are many books that are written to explain death to children. I bought one that was recommended called Lifetimes. It tries to explain death by talking about the life course, everything is born, everything dies. But he quickly came to refer to it as "the dead bug book" or in some cases, "the death book." And at that point we just stopped reading it and kept having our own little conversations about things.
PD: How did you explain to him that his daddy wasn't living with you?
VR: One of the things that makes this process not insurmountable is that for little children, in many ways, there is no normal. No normal family. No normal way of life. There's just what we teach them to expect. And because they're so flexible and open to whatever the world's presenting to them, I think that if we offer it to them, they're willing to accept the idea that there are a lot of different ways to have a good family and a happy family.
And I do share memories of his father with him and we look at pictures of him so he knows that that's an important part of our past. I've also tried to give him a real sense of extended family. He spends a lot of time with my parents, his uncles and aunts. And he has a new cousin who is seven months old. Sometimes he'll turn to me and say, 'Mommy, we have a great family!' And he'll walk up to someone on the street and say, 'This is my mother! Her name is Victoria!' So there's an evident sense of pride, which I think is great in counterpoint to the necessary experience of loss that he's also endured.
PD: How do you know if you've made the right decision?
And I do share memories of his father with him and we look at pictures of him so he knows that that's an important part of our past. I've also tried to give him a real sense of extended family. He spends a lot of time with my parents, his uncles and aunts. And he has a new cousin who is seven months old. Sometimes he'll turn to me and say, 'Mommy, we have a great family!' And he'll walk up to someone on the street and say, 'This is my mother! Her name is Victoria!' So there's an evident sense of pride, which I think is great in counterpoint to the necessary experience of loss that he's also endured.
PD: How do you know if you've made the right decision?
VR: I hope I've made the right decision. People I've spoken with who lost a parent when they were children have said they treasure every photograph and every scrap of memory they have with that parent. It's all so precious and their curiosity about the deceased parent is boundless. How could I withhold from my son something I knew he would cherish so much later on? Yes, grief is a part of the package, but I believe he would eventually have gone through a different kind of grief if he'd never been able to know his dad.
PD: What about forgiveness? Have you forgiven your ex-husband?
PD: What about forgiveness? Have you forgiven your ex-husband?
VR: People who've heard my story seem to have focused on forgiveness and what it means and I think that forgiveness is a complicated process but I like the idea that we don't have to see this as a state of mind, that it can be in the doing, and you can express forgiveness with an act. Which is not to say that I've totally forgiven him. Forgiveness doesn't have to be an all or nothing process.
Watch Victoria talk about forgiving her ex-husband on The Today Show with Matt Lauer.
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ReaderComments (Page 5 of 5)
1-24-2010 @ 10:41PM
Ondi Cain said...OMG - do any of you nay-sayers have any feelings for the child, much less the mother? As part of a family that went through a similar situation (the youngest was 8) I can honestly say that never to have is better to have known and wonder and miss. Ever heard the saying "nobody dies a sinner if they repent"? WRONG! That mother did harm to her child, and only gave solace to a man, and I use that moniker lightely, that did not deserve it. If the dad (bioligical) in this story was healthy, HE WOULD STILL NOT HAVE CONTACT WITH THE SON HE ABANDONED BEFORE HE WAS EVEN BORN!!
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1-24-2010 @ 10:42PM
T. Burniston said...Blondie besuty, You'd be better off keeping your mouth shut. You're just digging a deeper hole for yourself. It's obvious you have a lot of bitterness in you from your first marriage. There's a lot more to a person than a degree. What about heart and soul? And maybe compassion for others? You have really missed the boat in those areas!
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1-24-2010 @ 10:51PM
misty said...No way. I would not have done it. This man did not want to have anything to do with his son and if he were still healthy would still not want anything to with him. Not only that what is the point of getting a child involved with a man that did not want him and will only be in his life for a short time. It's the child who will hurt. I think it's cruel to have put that baby in this and had it been me I'd have told that man he had his chance and he made the choice to disown his son and that he'd lived with it and he could die with it too. I do not admire this woman in the lease. I feel sorry for the boy because he no father his entire life and he still doesn't have one. There was rational point in doing this to him.
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1-24-2010 @ 10:49PM
dani said...She probably did it for way more deeper issue's. The ex put her in a very hard spot. If she did not allow him she may have questioned herself everyday for the rest of her life,it could of ate her up with guilt. She allowed him so that was her choice. May her and the son find the true love they both deserve.
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1-24-2010 @ 10:53PM
ssspitfire13 said...I too have the recent death of an ex. He left me for another woman when I had a baby and a toddler. Now I struggle with allowing my children to see her given that she saw them for much of their lives. They also have a half sibling with her. It can be hard to put your needs aside at times for the needs of your children, but that's what parents should do. It's just not easy.
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1-24-2010 @ 11:06PM
Laurie said...Sue, I do not agree with blondebeauty in the least. But to say someone is a bimbo just because they are blonde is ridiculous. I happen to be blonde and am extremely offended by that remark. I'll have you know that I have been in 2 (count them TWO relationships) one with my ex-husband and one with my current husband. Please explain how that makes me a bimbo. Also please use single syllable words and large letters since I am a blonde.
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1-24-2010 @ 11:15PM
X said...What goes around comes around...how could you leave your loving wife while she's pregnant and to serve her with divorce papers @ 7 months...WoW...SELFISH BASTARD....and than the audacity to come back years later and to ask to come back to his son's life because he was dying?? WTF??? Are you serious??
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1-24-2010 @ 11:58PM
Scott said...ParentDish: Your recent piece in The New York Times starts with the death of his preschool classroom's goldfish. Can you talk about how your son deals with death in the larger world among his peers and other people he meets or knows?
Victoria Rosner: Judah had a friend come up to him and say, 'I heard your daddy died.' And the kid looked a little scared and said, "Does that mean you're not going see him again?" And my son for some reason was really not in the mood to talk about death so he put his hand on the other kid's shoulder and said, 'Yeah, but it's ok. I'm alive. You're alive. Let's have a playdate.' And the other kid was fine with that and they ran off.
So this child was 2 going on 3 when he said the second to last statement? A 2 yr old know's what death is? A 2 year old know's whata "play date" is? I'm sure this woman voted for Hussein and believe's her own bulls%@t. This artcile is nothing but a RADICAL LEFT-WING, MY KID IS A GENUIS AT 2, HUSSEIN LOVER, trying their best to show that EAST COASTER and WEST COASTER GAY ELITIST(?), LOL, actually know something, LMFAO.
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1-25-2010 @ 2:22AM
Jenny-Ann said...You're family doesn't often breed intelligent children do they? Out of my four children only one of them wasn't saying complete sentences by three and he had a diagnosed speech problem. If her almost three year old has had "play-dates" his whole life, of course he's going to know what a play-date is and be able to talk about it. My sister in law died when my only son was less than a week from his third birthday. His father and I sat him and his 4.5 year old sister down and explained death to them in terms a child can understand (the same terms you seem to need). My almost 4 year old daughter told me in the car tonight that "when people die their souls leave and fly to Heaven to be with God and Jesus."
Also, before you criticize other peoples intelligence you might want to look at your own. The current president of the United States of America is Barrack Hussein Obama. Not "HUSSEIN".
I may be a Liberal, I may not have liked George W. Bush, I may not have supported all of his beliefs or morals but I am an American and DAMN PROUD of it and because of this I accepted him and supported him as MY president when he was in office.
I'm sorry you don't have the same respect for American that I do!
1-25-2010 @ 12:14AM
j said...that was a very beautiful, courageous thing the mom did.My ex divorced us all, yet I never talked against him to my kids.
They have seen on their own how he is a dead beat dad, but now that they are all older, some are trying to have a relationship with him, but not all of the kids. And he acts like he is so filled with guilt about how he treated us all.But my conscience is clear with my kids, self and God so I dont worry about how my ex feels. I am just glad I did the best I could, and never denied him accesss to them, even when we suffered because of no child support. Payback is something else.I hope the mom and her son have peace and love in their lives. we do
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1-25-2010 @ 12:39AM
Julie Rotter said...When I was going through an acrimonious divorce many years ago, a very wise family therapist told me, "Your children can never have too many people who love them." She was referring to my husband's pregnant lover and my hesitancy to have the children spend time at her home into which my husband had moved. She basically told me to "get over it" and put my children's best interests ahead of my own hurt feelings. I did and have never regretted it. Our children need both of their parents (if they have them) and they need our permission (expressed or implicit) as custodial parents to openly love their other parent... They need to know it is "okay" with us that they love their dad or mom, despite the adult stuff that may be going on between us. I have learned that forgiving the hurtful is not only easdier than staying angry, it is quite disarming to the offending party. They really don't know what to say or do when such grace is extending to them. It is actually pretty cool... and empowering to the "injured party" who otherwise may be perceived as the "victim."
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1-25-2010 @ 2:05AM
Jenny-Ann said...I'm torn totally. It's been almost a year since my ex has seen our almost 4 year old daughter, up until she was about 2.5 he saw her regularly. He has two other kids that live with him but he's made no effort and has no interest in seeing our daughter. For 5 or 6 months after the last time he saw her she cried for him, begged me for him, asked where Daddy was, I called him begging him to come see her, offered to bring her over, everything. If he came to me in a year or two dying I'm not sure I'd let him see her. He made the CHOICE to not be a part of her life. I'm not sure I'm willing to put her through the pain and suffering of losing him again just to ease his guilt. And that's exactly what it's about. His guilt.
I'm wondering if she's going to tell this child that his father wanted nothing to do with him, his father gave up all rights and didn't care a lick about until the fear of definite death hit him.
As far as I'm concerned this man used this child for his own mental benefits. He didn't care about the child, he didn't care about the child growing up not knowing his father, he didn't care enough to make sure this child had food and clothing or health care or anything else. All he cared about was his own guilt.
Maybe this woman is better than I am, I don't. I just know that what this man did is WRONG and it's a lot easier to grow up with something you never had than to have it taken away from you.
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1-25-2010 @ 4:33AM
Dell said...The mom might be unselfish, but the dad, rest his soul, was a selfish fool. He abandons the child, then wants to "get to know" the kid before he dies. Yeah, build the kid up with a dad, just to take him away again. Stupid. This story didn't "warm the cockles of my heart" in the least bit.
The child should never have been subjected to all of this! He's not even really old enough to remember the guy, so what's the point. The dad just wanted to give the mom a little more trouble before he kicked the bucket.
Ugh!
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1-26-2010 @ 7:33PM
l61474 said...My comment is actually about the father in this story. I think it would be very hard to ask for this kind of consideration to someone you treated so badly, and while I think what he did was horrible I am glad to see he tried to reconcile with his child before he died. My mother left my father when I was a baby and he never even tried to see me or my older sister. He was an alcoholic, but even after he stopped drinking (we learned this from other family members) he still never tried to contact us. I am now 35 years old and have 2 sons who think my father has died (to me my step father willl always be who I say my father is, and he passed away when I was in high school). IN MY OPINION having a parent abondon you (and I don't mean if they put you up for adoption) is worse in the long run then getting to know your parent for a short time before he dies.
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5-25-2010 @ 10:17PM
Tess said...Dearest Victoria, you are one of few that still have and understand the love that Jesus taught .
You not only did the right thing but you will also have the needed reward of peace that you must have to move on with out any regrets,
yes you did the right thing for Juda , 'Love never fails ". You also gave peace to a man that robbed you of that very needed peace while you were alone with Juda, dear one you are a very dear strong careing person. What does this show ? That there are still many good hearts out there.
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