Do We Live in a Child-Intolerant Society?
Filed under: Amazing Kids, Amazing Parents, Cabin Fever
Cabin Fever reporting live from underneath the seats of our local cinema. The box of popcorn has been dumped. The floor is sticky. The 23-month-old has just discovered that he can crawl under this row to the one behind us. I've just discovered that I can't. And fellow movie-goers are shushing us incessantly. Whose idea was this? Oh, right. Mine.
It's a matinee movie for kids. I have kids. Two of them love going to the movies (ages eight and seven). One of them thinks Curious George is terrifying (age four). And the last of the lot thinks he's at an exciting darkened playground (the aforementioned toddler). Remind me: Where did I go wrong?
Before my husband and I had kids of our own, but while we were in the honeymoon stage of fantasizing about parenthood, we vowed never ever to torment the childless by bringing our future children to inappropriate venues. Such as: movie theatres, fancy restaurants, and rock concerts. Not surprisingly, we had this conversation at a fancy restaurant while being tormented by someone else's children at the table next to ours, who clearly should have stayed home with a babysitter.
In the nine years hence, we've broken every pledge (if outdoor folk festival counts as rock concert).
Judgment. It's everywhere. And as you judge, so shall you be judged ... mother of four whose smallest has escaped, with squeals of delight, into the dark recesses of a theatre filled with disapproving patrons who hate you right now...
From my position here underneath the theatre seats, with the shushes of angry movie-goers raining down upon me, I can't help but ask... Do we live in a culture that privileges the child beyond all reason, or do we live in a culture that is secretly child-intolerant?
Excuse me for just one moment while I vault over these seats in pursuit of my irrational, delightful, squeezable, noisy bundle of joy. He is my bundle of joy. I do understand that he's not yours. But this is a matinee movie for children, not an R-rated thriller on after 9PM. It would seem to be an appropriate venue to bring children. Yes, I do see your point, thank you. Toddlers may not technically qualify as children under section two of the old-enough-to-attend-matinee-movies code. I see your point, but hear me out.
I think our culture likes children in theory. We like the idea of matinee movies during March Break, but we don't much like the children who come to these movies and behave like children. We think: why can't that mother control her offspring? Why didn't she get a babysitter, or just stay home? Listen, I think the same thing sometimes, especially when my own children are on their best behaviour.
I think our culture likes the accessories that accompany children more than the children themselves. We fetishize the stuff designed for babies, toddlers and children. We coo over the little leather booties and the bamboo-fabric crib sheets and the hand-crafted wooden toys. We covet the beautifully embroidered diaper bag that doesn't look like a diaper bag. I know all about it. I want that stuff, too. But the very fact of all this stuff, the existence of an industry that revolves around (let's face it) not entirely necessary equipment, is not proof that we are a culture that privileges the child. It proves only that we are a culture that likes stuff -- and even more, we like excuses to get more stuff.
And after surrounding ourselves and our children with all this aesthetically desirable gear, we parents discover that most people, even other parents, don't really want to be bothered by our (admittedly, sometimes, annoying) children.
An odd paradox, isn't it? It might actually be true that children are better behaved, and held more to account, in cultures that are more open to the participation and integration of children into every day life. Where it's normal to see children out and about, being children.
Phew. I've caught him. He's not happy about it. The two big kids are oblivious, happy to stay and watch the rest of the movie on their own, but the four-year-old wants to be held, too. Yes, that's us you hear exiting awkwardly, with a squawk of protest. We'll hang out in the lobby till the movie's over. We'll annoy some more people by talking to each other, running around a little bit, and (four-year-old) practicing whining. And we'll smile at you, and chat, if you'd like, too.
And you know, I think we'll come back and try another matinee again soon. You can come, too. Bring the kids.










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3-29-2010 @ 8:35AM
sterosa said...its not that we dont tolerate kids in these venues it is more the fact that u go there and some parents not all will let there kids run rampant all through the establishment. When my children were young they were expected to be on there best behaviour at all times or it was a trip to the washroom for a little disipline if that did not work home we went.
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3-29-2010 @ 9:53AM
famcampossegura said...I totally agree with this opinion. Sharing as a family a fancy dinner or a movie is a precious moment to be remembered, and children should be helped to be aware of this. There is no way to help our kids to get some real social skills if we don't teach them that not all the places are playgrounds, and that there's a time and place for everything.
3-29-2010 @ 9:59AM
Benjamin Pass said...You know, when I was a kid, I was disciplined. I have no problem with that, and I think I turned out to be a pretty productive member of society. While I agree that many places and people in this society look down on kids, especially those who are running around and being kids, having worked in the public service industries, I also see many parents who cannot control their kids. And I don't mean that they're just running around, I mean that I see kids beating on their parents and the parents say to me, "oh I don't know what I'll do with little 'Johnny'". How about showing a little bit of parenting? How about instead of trying to be your kids' best friend, you be a parent? It's not that this world hates kids, it's that there aren't many parents left to equal out the kids. Sure there are mothers and fathers, but how many moms and dads are there? How many parents take the time to actually BE parents?
3-30-2010 @ 7:12PM
mom4life said...Social etiquette is a skill that was taught from a very young age with previous generations but it seems to be a non-existent today. What went wrong? We are in an age of entitlement - no boundaries, no consequences, no respect. How do these children grow up without social graces, etc.? Aren't they going to be the youth and parents of tomorrow - maybe even repeating this very problem.
3-29-2010 @ 8:35AM
MG said...While I can agree that Carrie likely has a point - that we may indeed live in a child-intolerant society - I think that is probably not the problem. The problem is parents who think that children 'acting like children' means children who whine, yell, run and otherwise act like tiny cyclones of disrespect; control your children and they will be welcome pretty much everywhere. But in our society of decadent child indulgence, controlling and training your child to act appropriately in public is something akin to high treason. So we'll continue to have a child-centric society that secretly despises kids.
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5-19-2010 @ 12:04AM
Auntie said...I agree with sterosa. It's not necessarily the children, but the parents and how they handle or rather don't handle their kids that bothers people.
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3-29-2010 @ 9:40AM
SusanActon said...I loath parents like this one. Two year olds do not belong in a
theatre - they do not have the attention span. Most children would
rather be out "doing" something with their parents instead of sat
in from of a large "TV" or movie screen. Why can't these over privileged parents put their own needs aside long enough to do
something their children would benefit from. Most of those type
of venues are child friendly i.e. museums, ymca's, local libraries.
But no - let's drag them to fancy restaurants, big fashion malls,
movie theatres - so these selfish parents can believe they are having a "family outing" while doing what they like to do anyway.
I do agree that the amount of "designer baby" stuff is revolting.
But stupid people who worry more about appearance than function
will always be with us. Parents or not - they will spend their money
trying to be liked or looked up to. Let 'em go!! It doesn't bother
me what stupid people spend their money on. Flash cars, boob
jobs, or designer baby stuff - all equally useless!!
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3-30-2010 @ 1:54AM
alandj7 said...You obviously don't have kids. Besides she did take the toddler to a child friendly venue. It was a movie for kids. Duh! She has four kids and I feel for her because I know that there is always one misbehaving. You can count on it. I have a lot of empathy for people like her. Try some in your life! I wish four kids upon you!
3-29-2010 @ 11:48AM
Jacki said...Did you read the article? She brought her 8, 7, 4 and 2 year old to a children's matinee. How is it not appropriate to bring a 2 year old? Two of my kids loved going to movies at that age unless it was a very loud movie. Plus as soon as she discovered that the 2 year old could not handle it, she tool him and left.
3-29-2010 @ 5:40PM
Marilyn P. said...I'd strike 'library' off your list for the 2 year old unless the library is conducting a children's program, or the older kids understand that the library is a place for reading and whispering and playing quietly, so that their mom can care for the two year old. I like kids. I like kids getting a kick out of books and, yes, even the internet - so long as they share and not hog the computers. I don't like kids scampering around and shouting while their parents are reading. It's discourteous to expect library patrons to tolerate it or library staff to 'babysit' when their jobs are to shelve books or provide information sources.
Granted, kids get bored and they let loose their energy. That's what playgrounds are for, not libraries.
Please introduce your kids to the library, but stay with them. Guide their socialization skills and participate in their learning experience. Read with them. Look at their pictures and search their internet stations. Introduce them to the librarian and let her tell them what she can do for them and how to be a good library user.
3-29-2010 @ 10:31AM
Maria said...Teach them some manners and ground rules BEFORE you inflict them on the rest of us, and then consistently follow through. If there's screaming/talking/whining/running/crawling during a film or anywhere in an inappropriate setting (i.e., not a playground), then it's up and out, period. Once they learn the consequences of their actions, they'll start behaving.
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3-29-2010 @ 3:36PM
Maureen said...Oh Lord do I agree with you. I despise being in any establisnment and having to listen to some kid screaming. That includes the grocery store. Recently I was shopping and this kid screamed for 40 minutes. Finally I asked the parents (yes both of them were there) if it was necessary. Why can't these parents take their brats to car for a time out and not inflict the rest us to the temper tantrum?
3-29-2010 @ 10:50AM
Sheri said...The scenario given is typical of alot of parents. It is not just that it is annoying for the other theatre goers, and I totally agree a four year old does not have the attention span to handle a feature length movie, albeit a childrens movie, I also consider it unfair to the kid. Imagine your boss giving you an impossible task, and I mean totally, 100% impossible, how would you handle that? Tantrums to co-workers? Whining? Losing our tempers? (who will admit the truth?) I know I'll get burned for this but, when training horses (who, by the way, act just like our children) we are always reminded to set them up to succeed. Don't expect a toddler to act like an 8 year old, won't happen. Have the fortitude to realize Jr. isn't going to sit through the movie and it is going to end badly for him, you and several strangers. Make him successful and give hime the foundation to become a great kid.
As a bus driver I see kids who need parent time and parents that give thier kids parent time by try to pawn off thier childrens intelects on other things; sports, movies, shopping etc. Get out there and give your kids one on one!! Leave the little ones in a "happy place" instead of torturing them (and all of us) by forcing them into a roll they just can't handle.
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3-29-2010 @ 10:55AM
cs said...Parents should take their children to "age appropriate" activities. Her older children obviously were able to enjoy the movie and act appropriately, while it is not possible for a 2 year old to do the same.
Additionally, I have a problem with the SUV size strollers-they may be great for a long walk in the park or through the neighbourhood, but they are not appropriate in retail establishments or restaurants which are not designed to accommodate them. Parents who insist it is their "right' to bring children and SUV size strollers everywhere are very inconsiderate of those around them and it concerns me what they are teaching their children as they guide them through life-that their needs come ahead of everyone else's? Not appropriate.
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3-29-2010 @ 5:26PM
SKL said...What kind of stroller would you suggest for twins / 2 babies close in age?
3-29-2010 @ 11:58AM
Heidi said...You left out the part where movies can be expensive. Your toddler ruined a movie that could have been a special treat for another family.
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3-29-2010 @ 8:58PM
Heather Neufeld said...The other comments covered most of the thoughts I had, but I can't resist anyway. We also have 4 children, the oldest and youngest of whom are only 5 1/2 years apart. We have often left the youngest one or two at home with a babysitter so the oldest get to enjoy something they are ready for, and can be parented on how to behave appropriately where they are. With one parent and four kids, it's often damage control, even if you're a great parent. And no one goes to a movie until they have sat through one at home... even a kids' matinee. Our entertainment bucks are precious and we respect others'.
Re: restaurants... Perkins and the like are great places to enjoy a family dinner out in an appropriate setting. Kids don't need or appreciate four star. And, when I go out (once every couple of years it seems) for a really special dinner, without my beloved children, I really don't want to dine with yours whining and being scolded behind me. That doesn't make me child intolerant, I don't think.
Thanks for a well rounded article on a timely subject.
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3-29-2010 @ 12:39PM
Bill said...Well, I am 50 and from a family of 4 boys; kids back then did what they were told.........period. Today people think everyone can do what they want when they want.
One rule to remember is whatever the kids/people are doing is not affecting someone elses enjoyment of dinner, movie etc. I have had neighbourhood kids in my yard wanting to play with my dog (German Sherherd) where are the parents? By the way the gate has two latches, extra one for safety.
My list of disrespectful adults putting kids in a position where they will be a nuisance could fill a page.
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3-29-2010 @ 12:48PM
SKL said...I take my kids almost everywhere that isn't unhealthy for them.
They know how to behave. I know how to remind them. I also know how to keep control of them in case they do forget.
My kids went to their first movie (Marley & Me) right around their 2nd birthdays. They behaved very well, better than some of the adults. One of them banged her head on the chair when I was adjusting her position, and she cried a little. I immediately picked up both kids and carried them out of the theater until she was quiet again. Then we went back in and finished the movie.
I take my kids to grown-up restaurants at least weekly. They have been going since they were infants. They know how I expect them to behave. They also know that if they behave inappropriately, I will take them out and they will be sorry I did. Even on the rare occasion that they exceed the boundaries, there is always some older child or adult who is acting worse.
My kids had been to live theater, concerts, grown-up networking and charity events, and many other adult-oriented activities when they were 2, and this will continue.
Do I get looks from adults who think the venue isn't kid-friendly? Occasionally. But 99% of the time, my kids do nothing to detract from the adults' enjoyment. The worst they do is occasionally walk into someone's path or momentarily forget to keep their voices low. To the extent that they are an unusual sight, yes, they can be a distraction. People look away from what they are doing to see those cute little girls over there. But for that, I won't apologize. It's not a good enough reason to tell me to stay home or hire a sitter versus getting my kids out in the world.
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3-29-2010 @ 1:49PM
DB said...We were all kids at one time or another, and I'm sure most of us have occasionally done things in public that have mortified our parents, no matter how well behaved we usually were. If you go to a matinee, of course you run the risk of sitting behind a screaming toddler, and if you don't like it, just don't go to matinees of children's movies. On a trip to Jamaica recently, there was a young child running up and down the aisle of our plane, getting in the way of the attendant's carts, screaming and generally running amok, while the parents looked on and did absolutely nothing to curtail the behaviour, leaving the attendants to do the parenting. Needless to say, every person on the plane stared daggers at them (the parents) and rightly so. It's these types of parents that are offensive, not the children. Our final destination? An adult-only resort.
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