
No Boundaries for My Son at His Dad's House!
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Dear AdviceMama,
How do you set boundaries for high school teens (partying, late curfews) when one parent sets limits and the other parent doesn't? My son moved in with his father because he can keep doing what he wants and can get away with it. I can't set consequences because my son knows he doesn't have to follow since his dad doesn't enforce any consequences I try to set.
Signed,
Feeling Helpless
Dear Helpless,
Your situation is shared by many parents who feel powerless to set limits with their children or teens because the other parent undermines their authority. I wish there was an easy answer, but there isn't. (I assume the custody arrangement is not something you can change.) There are, however, things you can do to help your son make better choices, even if his father isn't on the same page.
As tempting as it may be to try to use the time you have with your son to get more information about how he's spending his weekends, if he suspects you're trying to get evidence that he's "being naughty," he's likely to give you one word answers that probably don't reflect the truth: "I'm fine. School's fine. I'm not drinking." More important, if he feels interrogated every time you're together, he's going to stop answering his phone when you call to check in with him.
I suggest you take a big-picture view of the situation. Even though it's frustrating and worrisome to know your son is unsupervised under his father's roof, what matters most is being someone he can turn to when he needs guidance. Kids without a reliable parental North Star are more influenced by their peers, influencing them to make poor decisions.
I think of relationships as bank accounts. When you have a lot of money in the bank you can make withdrawals freely. But when the bank balance is on zero, or below, you're going to get into trouble if you start writing checks. Put money into the bank with your son by having conversations that focus on the good stuff. Acknowledge him for whatever efforts he's making toward improving his grades, keeping his car clean, or staying in touch with Grandma. Ask him about his dreams, and how he would describe his ideal adult life, and then listen without lecturing him on what he should or shouldn't do to create that life.
I know some may tell you to force your son's dad to be a better father; experience has probably taught you that this is easier said than done. Others may suggest that you control your son's behavior with threats. Generally, most kids who are intimidated by a noncustodial parent simply cut off contact with them. Forge a relationship with your son that encourages him to feel safe to tell you about the struggles and challenges in his life without fearing your reaction. By showing him that he doesn't have to lie to avoid your threats and lectures, you can help motivate him to take an honest look at the questionable choices he's making, and support him in navigating towards the life he wants and deserves.
Yours in parenting support,
AdviceMama
AdviceMama, Susan Stiffelman, is a licensed and practicing psychotherapist and marriage and family therapist. She holds a Bachelor of Arts in developmental psychology and a Master of Arts in clinical psychology. Her book, Parenting Without Power Struggles, is available on Amazon. Sign up to get Susan's free parenting newsletter.
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8-08-2010 @ 4:38PM
joeobryan said...Now here we go lets control the father and the child from the womans house. Ive been thru this too. My ex told the courts just like this article that oh once Johny goes to his fathers there is no boundaries and dad disrepects woman bla bla. Everything a court wants to hear so they can also try to control a man and create parental alienation case point and thats what this is all about! Thats why I wrote a book because of the system and woman like this. Google or look for STUPID GUY IN THE MIDWEST or you can find it on facebook. My book is for non-custodial fathers and stepmoms.
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8-23-2010 @ 12:01PM
kls77 said...joe, it seems that you are rather angry. while i don't think this is a good place to be promoting your book, especially since the question has nothing to do with the content of your book (which i did look up, and all of the info seems like it is more an angry lash out to publicize what your ex wife did to you....), but do you think that you will sell more books by being angry at some person you have never met who wants the best for her son?
just something to think about, you can angrily lash out at me if you'd like, but i'll never see it.
11-29-2010 @ 10:12PM
lynn said...Joe, your a lousy father but that doesn't mean your ex should be a lousy mother. That's why she is concerned about your sons future. The moment he get's in trouble YOU will send him back to his mother. By than the kid will have a criminal background and have been arrested for drugs.
11-29-2010 @ 9:37PM
WOW said...So wochang You don't think that there should be rules and limits and a standard of behavior because you want to be friends with yout kids? Parents are not friends until the kids are in their 30s. Parents job is to teach kids correct behavior and proper standards.
11-29-2010 @ 11:34PM
kris said...I would ask, why does the father have custody of the child and not the mother? Maybe she was unfit and the court felt that it was in the best interest of the child to live with his father.
11-30-2010 @ 6:36AM
Sunday said...The sad fact is that a parent CANNOT control what happens in their ex's home when their child is there. You can only control what goes on in your own home. Make sure your child knows what YOUR rules are, and let them know often that you will always be there for him/her no matter what happens. Be a good listener, and never hold anything negative they confide in you against them. Your son or daughter will appreciate you so much more when they become an adult. Been there and done that. One last bit of advice - NEVER, EVER talk bad about your ex in front of your children. My rule of thumb was to never say anything negative about my daughter's father - no matter how I felt at that moment. Worked like a charm! Trust me, your children will love you and respect you even more for it, because once they grow up and become adults themselves, if their father or mother is a deadbeat, the child will see it too one day without you telling them that.
11-30-2010 @ 12:45PM
joeobryan said...Lynn your simply ignorant to my situation. I haven't seen my boys for 9 years and when they did start to come into my life because I found my oldest on facebook. The mother has put my oldest in jail and played the I fear for life BS plus my son is on drugs. And now I had a visit with my middle son only to find out that my ex now threatens him with jail. So I did the only right thing there was to do call CSE in FL. They wrote a report that my son was abused and neglected. So where does this make a lousy father carring? What has to happen is a father has to get angry before anything is even done thats what my book is about the unjustness of the system.
10-09-2010 @ 12:39AM
AE said...I think its crazy to set boundaries for highschool students because at that age they could care less about what you want to restrict them from doing. Every kid will make the good decisions when you give them a boundary-less environment. Let them drink, let them do stupid stuff, thats how you learn to be an adult. The parents who stop their kids from doing things will only stunt their growth as human beings. At that point in someones life they have a disconnect with their parents and want to relate more with their peers and socialize with friends not family. So the best decision is to leave them alone, stop interrogating, and accept whatever they do and be proud of the decisions they make whether you as the parent like them or not. For example your kid walks in the door drunk, you should be happy if they walked home, took the bus or called a friend for a ride and didn't drive themselves. Life is about choices and making those choices for yourself, not having them made for you. Long story short, you want a relationship with open communication with your teen? Let them be them and don't be critical about their choices and you kid will tell you anything and everything they have done, doing or plan to do.
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10-19-2010 @ 7:40PM
dee said...For the most part I agree. My parents didn't have to set boundaries with me because I was already inclined towards being responsible. At home I just had the basic "call if you're going to be out late, travel in pairs to parties, get good grades, don't get arrested". My little sister though... my parents waited WAY to long to try to instill any sense of responsibility in her, so she got up to EVERYTHING whether they set boundaries or not. Lay down a few basic rules (nothing too restricting) and let your kid make his own choices. You have to trust him to do the right thing on his own. The more rules you give him, the less he'll think you trust him, and the more damage you do to your relationship.
11-29-2010 @ 10:25PM
Judith said...ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND ????????? Yeah, kids always make great decisions like getting pregnant, doing drugs, and other wonderful behavior that will really make for a wonderful life such as getting STDs. Are you so dense that you don't know that it is a proven scientific fact that kids brains aren't developed enough to make good choices until they are in their twenties? Their impulse control is just not where it will be when they mature. Both of my sons came to us in their twenties and thanked us for being so strict when they were teens, heck they even apologized for the way they acted then. A parent HAS to set limits. KIds just can't think about the consequences clearly. How many studies prove that teenagers actually prefer their parents set limits, it makes them feel more secure.
11-29-2010 @ 10:45PM
Franziska Edwards said...I had a similar problem after my divorce when my daughter spent time at her father's. He refused to make her do any homework because he wanted to ingratiate himself with her. This made ME always the 'bad' parent because I insisted on all her work getting done. I had to make a decision early on that she might grow up hating me, but she was not going to grow up stupid. She grew up smart, has just grduated from university, and we have a wonderful relationship, whereas she doesn't with my ex.
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11-29-2010 @ 11:16PM
bb&j said...it's amazing to me how so many mothers must be in control of everything. the truth is you and your ex should have been instilling values and setting boundries earlier in your childs life, so by the time he got to high school there would not be much to worry about. the most important thing should have been for you and your ex to work together for the good of your child.if I had to guess you ex was tired of you trying to control him so he doesn't want to listen to you. their are some things a mother needs to teach and things a father needs to teach, thats why it take two to make children and your way may not or is not the only or alwaysthe best way. I wish your son the best.
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11-29-2010 @ 11:26PM
GRACE2STAND said...My heart goes out to you! Same thing happened to me when my daughter was 13. Then she tried to rub my nose in her newfound "freedom." I just smiled and said "Not my problem anymore, honey. My only job now is to love you and pray for you. From now on, you'll be getting your whoopin's from the Lord. Yikes, I've been there! No fun!"
I was heartbroken because my daughter was exposing herself to dangerous things at such a young age, but ultimately, we have to let go sometime. As a Christian, I just put her in God's hands. She has had a very hard life, due to her many bad choices. It's not the life I wanted for her, but I have faith that God will eventually turn her around. I have to remember that her ultimate Destination is far more important than her journey.
There is a radio drama of TRUE STORIES called "Unshackled" that is broadcast by Chicago's Pacific Garden Mission. Please look it up on line and listen regularly.
It is very encouaging to hear how God has turned around the lives of drunks, addicts and criminals. His grace truly is greater than any sin. Indeed, the deeper the sin, the more He glories in redeeming and transforming the person's life! Hearing these true stories keeps me encouraged that God can also redeem my daughter's life, no matter what she gets herself into!
One story especially touched my heart, because my daughter often keeps my grandchilden away from me. It was the story of a young man whose grandmother had died when he was very young, perhaps three or four. He had a terrible childhood, and as he grew up, he became involved in drugs and all types of debauchery...
Finally, when he came to the end of himself, he remembered his grandma's gentle touch, and how she had lain her hands on his head and prayed "Jesus, please save my grandson!"
All he had was that one memory of feeling loved, and the name of Jesus. But that was all he needed!
Love your son. Pray for him. Set a good example. And read God's Word daily, because the better you know Him, the more you will trust Him! He loves your son even more than you do, and he's not daunted by snything, because He sees the end from the beginning!
Blessings!
Deuteronomy 5:29
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1-05-2011 @ 5:00PM
twister said...GRACE2STAND: Thank you so much for your words of comfort. I needed to see the words in writing.
In my case, its my grand-daughter who believes that there are no consequences for one's inappropriate behavior, especially at this time. She is now a 18 years old 11th grader, barely making passing grades. It appears that she does not want a good future.
We lost her mother 4 years ago, however, she was acting out before her death. Her behavior is worse. She has little respect for anyone especially persons in authority. She is loud and disruptive. however, she is calm talking on the phone and texting. As long as things go her way, she is fine. Until she is reminded of rules to follow in every aspect of life.
Her biological father came into our lives out of nowhere three days after her mother's death. ( she was 14 1/2) We did not know him. I fought tooth and nails in the court system for full custody, however, because the laws of this State tend to believe that a 14 year old has the right to make own decision as to where she /he wants to live , and because I on thr other hand, wanted to maintain a good relationship with her, I agreed to a joint custody. Her stay with her father was choatic. I prayed for guildence and strength to deal with whatever came my way. She visited us but I could see that she was unhappy. I constantly prayed for the Lord to save her. I praised her, assured her that we loved her and she was blessed. But nothing same to work. I begin believing that I failed her.
She finally moved out of her father's home on her 18th birthday into her "friend's" home. Thereafter 4 more moves before she came home. My door was again opened to her. But I had rules. I expected her to respect others, respect herself, abide/adhere to rules, policies/procedures wherever she went come in at a decent time, do own chores, homework, make decent grades in school, go to college/ trade school. I prayed again to have the strength to let go and let God perform his words. ( I placed 12 more grand children in his care) I am here for her but she has to see that her way is not always right, neighter is mine. I know withinn my heart he will save her in His time.
Again, thank you.
11-30-2010 @ 12:35AM
Cindi said...If this lady was such a great mother the kid would have stayed with her. I'm sure she is bitter and anti-male because her ex got on with his life and she won't or can't do the same. She can't can't control the ex anymore so she takes it out on the kid.
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11-30-2010 @ 2:18AM
Nicole said...Funnily enough I think the advice given by advice mama is the best you can give. I grew up in a single parent household and my mom was a very giving parent. She worked hard to provide for both myself and my older brother (we're separated by two and a half years) and she always believed in making sure that if we were curious about something or wanted to experiment that it was better to do so in a safe, stable environment than out someplace where we could be exposed to dangerous situations.
My brother always had a difficult time obeying rules and a number of times he even opted to stay with relatives because he didn't like the few rules my mother imposed on him, as he got older my brother became very aggressive and my relationship with him diminished a great deal. (We didn't become close until he had fully moved out on his own).
Now that my brother is married and has a daughter of his own he's come back to my mom on a number of occasions and gone so far as apologizing because in retrospect what he had at the time thought were unfair rules, were really my mother being patient and trying to ensure that she had a lasting loving relationship with him.
Here's the dichotomy for you, a lot of the people commenting are saying how it's unhealthy for a single parent, and that you have to 'control' your teens because they can't be trusted.
I sang and toured in a band throughout the entirety of my high school career, (I would be gone for weeks at a time over holidays) with my only connection to home being a phone call from a pay phone or a cell phone when it had minutes.
You might say that was awful parenting, but I never got into drugs. I didn't fall into alcoholism (though I won't deny I didn't participate in some drinking) and now I'm a successful college graduate with an English degree and I teach High School. I volunteer at a teen peer counseling center and I'm an advocate and mentor for the local LGBT teen crisis center.
I pin all of my success on my mom raising me the way she did.
Frankly, I think the best you can do as a parent to teens who don't want to listen is to let them know that no matter what you're there for them and are a willing and open ear.
A lot of teenagers DO require structure, I won't invalidate that but more often than not when you tell someone who is already emotionally turbulent that they HAVE to do something they are going to be less inclined to doing it.
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11-30-2010 @ 2:21AM
lori walker said...Kids always go to the weakest parent They want to protect the one who needs the most growing up Set boundaries anyway Forget the father This will blow up in his face one day and he and his son will fight and hison, your son, will come back to the adult parent Happens every time Besides boys need to be with thre father at that age looking for guidance He'll discover Dad is immature and be back But all this takes time Dad just feels guility for not making a family for his son
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11-30-2010 @ 3:59AM
KWEENBEENEMESIS said...One thing one has to remember is that a trusting relationship with your children begins when they are toddlers and never stops. The parent must continue to care and have conversation in a consistent basis. By the time they enter into adolescence they trust in you to guide them and help them through the rough times. Flexible structure and teaching discipline begins from the beginning. Another thing is, as parents, we want to control everything and not necessarily conducive to allowing a child to grow into their own person. If you are too strict, the child just wants to buck everything, if you are too lienient the child is unsure, unbalanced and feels lost. They need consistency, structure, boundaries and love and trust.
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12-01-2010 @ 5:14AM
terry johnston said...I can really give u simpathy, but please follow very important rules NEVER say negative things about dad,if dad is truly a butt head your son will figure it out in time (as he will u if the shoe fits) in a moment of conversation extend a safety net,this will be difficult but I told ny teen son "if u r somewhere and have no safe way home, call me any hour I will come no questions asked(and live up to it), I can live with a little less sleep but I can't live without you, if you r with folks + see a gun call me no questions asked!" My son was a jock + ran with kids who had more $than I will ever have, now as a man he agrees he lived with his dad because I had rules,dad didn't! He never went to jail, he did call me several times,I did go, I asked no questions, he was safe. He now has a good career, a terrific wife + a fabulous daughter (which makes me a grammy) all in the correct order, he loves his dad but sees his faults + thanks me on a regular basis! goodluck
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11-30-2010 @ 6:17AM
Judy said...Just because she has a history of being a bad female co-parent (so called mom) does not mean her false allegations against the Father should be believed. She is playing the common scam played by many women to play victim while exploiting the fathers child and the father for both unearned income as well as manic control. Lets hope she is steping up to the plate and paying her child support so that the father and his child can have a normal life away from her.
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