Mother Raising Her Own Voice Over Restaurant's Ban on Screaming Kids
Filed under: In The News, Special Needs
Many autistic children scream. It's what they do.
Forbidding an autistic child to scream can be like requiring a paraplegic person to dance the Charleston, so Kelly Chambliss, the mother of an autistic son, claims a restaurant's policy against screaming children is blatant discrimination and a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act.
The words on the door of Olde Salty's in Carolina Beach, N.C. read: "Screaming children will not be tolerated."
Chambliss tells the ABC affiliate in Wilmington, N.C., that she and the restaurant's manager had words of their own on the subject three weeks ago. Apparently, the conversation didn't go well.
Manager Brenda Armes tells WCET Chambliss accused her of singling out autistic children.
"And I said, 'Autism is not a word on that sign, ma'am'," Armes tells the station.For her part, Chambliss tells the station Armes made it very clear certain people were not welcome at the restaurant.
"She looked at me and said, 'I cannot believe you even take him in public. You must be the only one that does'," Chambliss tells WCET.
Chambliss tells the station she believes the restaurant's sign is illegal. However, she didn't say whether or not she was considering legal action.
"I really think she needs to meet some of these kids, and I think she needs to see that they are awesome," Chambliss adds. "Please don't shut them out because they don't fit in the perfect box everyone wants them in."
Armes tells WCET no one will be kicked out of the restaurant. Parents will just be asked to step outside until their child quits screaming.
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ReaderComments (Page 1 of 6)
9-10-2010 @ 8:20AM
featherhead25 said...Ms. Chambliss, I know that autistic children have no control over their emotional outbursts. But, you do have the option to eat at a million other restaurants that do not have a policy against screaming children.
And please don't say "You have no idea...." . Yes I do. I too am the mother of an autistic child. I respect other people and the restaurants that support this policy.
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9-10-2010 @ 4:50PM
lisa maria said...I don't like dogs either or a screaming baby and I DON"T WANT either where I dine. If you have a screaming child or a dog, there are plenty of places you and dog owners can go.
9-10-2010 @ 7:14PM
PAT said...THANK YOU. I WAS A WAITRESS FOR MANY YEARS AND LET ME TELL YOU, I WOULD ASK MY CUSTOMERS TO NOT LET THEIR CHILDREN RUN AROUND WHEN THEY WERE THRU EATING AND THEN TALKING. THIS IS SAFETY FOR EVERYONE, YOUNG AND OLD.ALSO, I WOULD ASK THE CUSTOMER TO TAKE THE CHILD OUTSIDE TO QUIETEN THEM.
9-10-2010 @ 5:40PM
Chip said...I'm totally fed up with people that think its their God given right to do whatever they want and everyone else you have to deal with it! Geez. Why should I or anyone else have to just accept that since your child has autism you too have to deal with it. I'm sorry your child has autism. What has happened to the world! Everybody's answer to any problem is to file a lawsuit. GO EAT SOMEWHERE ELSE! Example: A golf club wants to be exclusive to one sex. Lawsuit!
Go find somewhere else to play there's thousands of other places, but no you have to pick the one place that has a policy that you don't agree with and therefore you want to eat there and since they won't tolerate kids screaming it's time for a lawsuit. Give me a break.
6-15-2011 @ 8:01PM
Julie said...I'm sorry about the autistic child, but if I'm paying good money to eat a restaurant, I DO NOT want to listen to a screaming child autistic or not.
7-13-2011 @ 7:03AM
Rick Meihofer said...I will say this most people or parent's today don't watch their kids and they don't scold their children:and saying anything to a parent about their childs behavior only en-vokes a arguement.Not all people want to sit down to a meal and be annoyed by kids that why some majority choose not to have childern or they raised there children and need a break from parenting...And here in America we have all the people who cry about anything or complain because they don't want children in their place of business:and will bring up every other handicap in oder to change that..How many places are there in America to eat with kids..Stop your damm crying your like kids on here your-self protest about any little god damm thing...
9-10-2010 @ 11:12PM
Ginger said...Ma'am:
I dont care what you think, but if you sue this restaurant, I will sue you for infringement on my peace of mind by you not controlling your child in my presence. I think it highly contentious that you feel the rest of the world should "appreciate" your child if she screams and throws tempertantrums in public !!!
There was a rule when I was growing up, if parent could not control their children and make them behave in public, we were removed from the restaurant and lectured. If we acted up a second time, we were removed from the restaurant -- PERIOD!!.
If you cannot teach your child to behave in public, and in a restaurant that caters to a civil and quiet adult public, then you and your child do not belong in that restaurant.
I feel the same way about airlines and passengers who do not contain their children.
If you want to pick up the tab for me, or any one else in the restaurant, while your child screams away... then be my guest.
I dont feel I need you or any one else to impose and infringe on my enjoyment out for the evening at a restaurant, a movie theatre, or an airline. PERIOD.
Teach your child to behave or dont frequent a business that is requesting you and others like you to be a responsible parent and instruct your children on manners !!!
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9-09-2010 @ 4:20PM
julie said...Ginger,
I think you could learn a lot about children with special needs. I am a parent of an Autistic child. Good old fashioned discipline as you describe does not work with kids with special needs.
Do some reading about the subject before you go posting something so ignorant as this.
9-09-2010 @ 8:23PM
AggregatVier said...Amen on suing this woman. What about parents with psychotic kids who like to cut things with knives? I would not trust this womand to know where to draw the line. She's in denial already. As an individual she has no appreciation for others and is a danger to society. Lock her up.
9-09-2010 @ 10:00PM
Kelly Chambliss said...First of all, please do not threaten me. Secondly, I will gladly educate you about what Autism and special needs is and what is isn't'. I'm very sorry that you have not had an opportunity to be educated on currents teachings and success process for the special needs population.
Please open your heart and your mind. Find compassion and understand that this is not about bad manners. On the contrary this is about grown ups like you and I having kind manners towards folks with challenges on a hourly basis.
Kelly
9-10-2010 @ 3:06PM
TomG said...Um...excuse you....there is no TEACHING an autistic child to "behave" in public. It's not a behaviorism, it's a medical condition. While I agree that other patrons have a right to enjoy their meal in peace, I also believe that a parent has a right to take his/her child to a restaurant of his/her choosing. And I also believe that the parent should be mindful of other patrons in the establishment, but I do NOT by any means believe in placing BLAME on the child who has no control over his/her medical condition. The mother in this case should respect the policy and choose another restaurant to eat at.
9-10-2010 @ 4:50PM
Stephany said...I feel sorry for you and your autistic child. Obviously you do not read very well. The sign did not say, autistic screaming children will not be tolerated. Why on earth would you want to start some mess with this restaurant owner? Its probably because you have no life and you live in a pain body. Misery loves company you know. If you were a good mom, you would take your son to a fun place for kids anyway, instead you are taking time away from your son to pursue drama, chaos, negativity and selfishness. You should be ashamed of yourself.
9-10-2010 @ 6:11PM
dan said...Agreed 500%-
I cannot stand parents that do not deal with their kids-
Chuck E Cheese is for screaming kids- take them there-
what give you self-righteous thought that anyone should have
to put up with anyone screaming in a controlled space-adult
or child?
get real- and I am someone who says things to irresponsible
parents like you -who are so angry at their own kids that
they get off taking it out on others
take them home
9-10-2010 @ 10:09PM
PAT said...I WILL LIKE TO ADD SHOPPING WHILE A KID SCREAMS. YELLS, CRIES AND SO ON SHOULD BE CONTROLLED. THE MOTHER IS NOT TRYING VERY HARD TO CONTROL THE CHILD. SOME MOTHERS IGNORE, COUNT 1, 2 BUT NOTHING EVER HAPPENS. I ASK "ARE YOU TEACHING THEM TO COUNT?"
9-12-2010 @ 12:47PM
Wendy said...Wow, there are many different opinions on this subject that are valid and some who I hope have never had children, because the comments they have posted show that they are truly uneducated about the Neuological Disorder (not disease) of autism and how to raise any child in general.
I am a teacher of children on the spectrum and many parents of children on the spectru
as well as I can tell you that being vocal to some degree can be a part of the disability. I do agree that at some point parents should be respectful of other patrons when a child is "tantruming" and take a walk to calm the child down, disability or not. Children with ASD do however need many opportunities to interact and learn appropriate interaction in many social settings, or how else will any child learn? It has been resaerched many times that modeling appropriate behavior for any child is one of the best ways for them to learn any skill (telling them until they are the suggested age of 8 is laughable!) I wonder how this person would react to kids if that were to truly happen, I am almost positive that their dining experience would be an adventure to say the least. Essentially 1 in every 110 births is that of a child on the autism spectrum. It is societies responsibility to educate all children so that quality of life and life skills will allow these children to have some sort of independence and appropriate skills to blend in to society. If we don't do that many of our experiences in the public would be less than enjoyable I assure you!
9-16-2010 @ 9:39AM
Gardenia said...I have a child with autism and I do teach my child manners and he does practice them, however there will be bursts of weird noises, yelps or screams. HE can not control nor can I punish for something that his body and mind makes him do. Its the same way that a person that has tics or tourette syndrome. They can't help it and before anybody starts pouncing on me. No I don't not think it is right to sue the restaurant, everybody is entitled to peace and quiet when they are eating and yes I specifically go to places I know my child will enjoy and will be treated with kindness and respect
Also, just because a child has autism, does not mean he has to be locked up in his house or go to places where only kids with mental disorders go. The child also has a right to go to places where typical neuro children go so they can imitate their peers. I live in NYC and my child goes everywhere with me all over the city
9-09-2010 @ 3:38PM
Atlantaguy said...I would GLADLY give this place my business if I lived closer to it.
My parents would not take us to a restaurant until we were 8 year old, and at that, we were given "the rules" days in advance. If we acted up for a second - poof, the bill got paid, we all left, and our butts were red hot when we got home. My parents would never, ever have taken a baby to a sit-down restaurant. That's the problem with parents these days - they feel the entire world should "block out" their screaming kids because they don't want to pay for a babysitter when they go out to eat or go to a movie theater. Sorry - that's just self-centered.
The woman who is raising a legal stink over this place is nothing more than an instigator who's trying to get on the news. There are tons of other places to eat - just don't go there. I can promise you if I'm sitting next to your "special" child and he won't calm down and you do nothing about it, I'm going to let you know about it, too. I don't pay my VERY hard-earned money to eat out just to hear other people's kids bang spoons on the table for an hour or whine/cry the whole time. Get over it - stay home with them or get a babysitter.
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9-09-2010 @ 9:08PM
Carolyn said...I appreciate the fact that their are children with special needs, however, if I am out for the evening enjoying or trying to enjoy an expensive dinner I should not have to listen to your special needs child screaming.
There are many restaurants that you can go to with children special needs or not. McDonalds, Burger king, Wendys, chuckie cheese. If I am at any of these restuarants I expect noisy children. I dont expect noisy children when I am at a nice restaurant with expensive prices. This is not discrimination, its common sense
9-13-2010 @ 9:51AM
itiswhatitis said...How right you are. Just Google Kelly Chambliss and see what you get. She appears to be one of those people who always feels put upon. The world is out to get them. I give my wholehearted support to the restaurant owner. It's about time someone stepped up.
7-14-2011 @ 3:37PM
Fantomex said...The woman who is 'raising a legal stink' is trying to get ignorant morons like you to realize that her child has rights; if those rights make eating out too much for you, then too damn bad. Those right are enshrined under the Americans with Disabilities Act; they are not rights to be thrown away because of your bourgeois 'right' to eat at some overpriced eatery in peace.. As I said above, there are no babysitters to take care of these kids, and the world is not like it used to be or as depicted in the movie A Child Is Waiting, where Burt Lancaster and Judy Garland are there to help your kids into a special school where they will be taken care of and socialized away from the rest of society; this is the real world of today where you try to deal with your problems, not shut them away. And we do have to really start dealing with autistic children and other disabled people with special needs.
Besides, I though that there was a recession/depression going on; why are people wasting time eating out in restaurants anyway?