SmackDown: Should a Kid Be Allowed to Scream at a Restaurant?
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Scream at Home, Kid.
by Jessica SamakowThere's nothing that can ruin a good dish of penne a la vodka more than a side of screaming child.
We've all been there. We ignore the wails for a few minutes until the ringing in our eardrums becomes impossible to ignore. We glance over our shoulders and give the screamer's parents an evil glare implying, "Shut your kid up before I throw my dinner in your general direction."
So, if a privately-owned restaurant chooses to ban screaming children so that customers can simply enjoy a good meal, is that so wrong?
As a person with a 30-second patience range, I would have to say no. In fact, if I were to stumble upon a restaurant like Olde Salty's in North Carolina, bearing a "Screaming children will not be tolerated" sign in the window, I would become a regular visitor.
And when the time comes for me to call a screaming child my own, I'd have to pick a new favorite spot, say Chuck E. Cheese, or call a babysitter for the night and have a nice, quiet meal at Olde Salty's.
One mother, Kelly Chambliss, has a bone to pick with the sign in the window. Since her autistic son is prone to screaming tantrums because of his disability, she says he's being singled out and that this ban is a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act.
Makes me want to scream.
Lady, this is not an issue of discrimination. This is not an issue of violating human rights. This is not even an issue of a person's right to dine in a public restaurant. The real issue here is that you were clearly not paying attention in your seventh-grade history class.
Bear with me as I refresh your memory. Discrimination, according to our good friends at Merriam-Webster is "the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently." The key word here being differently.
As the sign in the window of Olde Salty's reads: "Screaming children will not be tolerated." The sign does not allude to which types of screaming children will not be tolerated. The six-worded sign is clear. Any screaming child, autistic or bratty or moody or sleep-deprived or hungry, will not be tolerated. All children will be treated the same.
For her part, Olde Salty's manager Brenda Armes says she is not trying to silence children, nor is she trying to find a method to do so. All the woman wants to do is give her restaurant patrons a meal without the soundtrack of a wailing child in the background.
I like a person with clearly defined priorities. Especially ones that are in alignment with my own.
Now, if Olde Salty's were to spiff up its decor, quadruple its prices and rename itself, "Le Sel," no one would be complaining. A sign would not have to be posted for parents to realize that bringing a screaming child to such a fine establishment would be le miserable.
Unfortunately, my wallet does not allow for me to dine at Le Sel. But wouldn't it be great if there were middle-class restaurants where my middle-class friends and I could enjoy the same type of peaceful atmosphere without having to drop our whole paycheck on a steak?
But I digress. Olde Salty's is a small business, not the United States Government. If Brenda Armes marched to the Capitol, lobbying for a screaming-child ban in all restaurants nationwide, Kelly Chambliss may have a case in calling her actions "illegal."
But if she were really speaking for her son, chances are he would probably be saying, "Don't worry about it, Mom. I'd rather go to that place with the burgers and bouncy castle anyway."
Lots of People in Restaurants are Annoying.
by Tom HendersonScreaming children in restaurants are %$#!@ annoying!
You know who else is annoying? Old people whose dentures fling out like cash registers whenever they talk.
And they usually talk loudly. You're trying to have a nice meal, and they're two tables away screeching over their hearing aids about Gertrude's phlebitis.
Then you've got the good ol' boys bloviating about the "gummint" and how Obama is nothing but a "comm-un-nist."
The only thing worse than these mouth breathers is giggling teenage girls.
My own kid is annoying because he has autism. But what's their excuse? More importantly, why should they get to ruin my French dip and fries while my kid is 86ed for just being himself?
That's the point behind a mother cheesed off at a restaurant in North Carolina that has a sign that reads: "Screaming children will not be tolerated." That includes autistic kids who scream because, hey, that's what a lot of autistic kids do. If they could control it, they wouldn't have a handicap recognized and protected by the Americans with Disabilities Act.
To be fair, parents should do what they can to quiet their children. Taking them outside would be a nice and considerate thing to do. However, restaurants have no more right to order them out than they do to tell deaf people to stop all those distracting hand gestures.
One of my two kids has autism and I kept him out of restaurants during his screaming years. Still, he caused more than his share of commotion at grocery stores and other public places. I knocked over a street lamp once when I was backing up a delivery truck while he kept screaming, "Sesame Street Elmo!" in my ear.
Believe me, I strongly considered selling him to the nearest circus. Yet, I realized there are certain things beyond his (and my) control. Other people need to realize that about autistic children, as well. No child screams without reason. The reason is usually something beyond his or her comprehension and command. Telling a child to simply stop isn't going to work. Yelling at him or her to stop is definitely not going to work. It's only going to make them scream more.
About the only thing that does work is a little understanding. Screaming fits rarely last long long, unless nearby adults insist on escalating them with their foolish reactions.
A guy named Paul Blankfield comes to mind. He allegedly physically assaulted another patron at an Olive Garden in Boynton Beach, Fla., in August because the guy's autistic son wouldn't stop being autistic.
Rather than a peaceful dining experience, he got assault charges.
As Dr. Phil would say at this point, "How's that working out for ya?"
Managers of Olde Salty's, the North Carolina eatery with the no-screaming sign, are taking the seemingly easy path by just casting the kid out. They don't see what's unfair about that.
Really?
They're singling out a particular class of annoying people while other annoying people -- the ones who can actually control their behavior -- get a free pass.
That's the very definition of discrimination. We can't start banning all the annoying people in the world. Pretty soon, it would be a very lonely planet. There would no one left but you.
And you annoy me.











ReaderComments (Page 4 of 91)
9-10-2010 @ 5:43PM
Bill said...In reply to Shawn, obviously a permissive parent will excuse a child's behavior regardless how it affects others. Shawn, children reflect how they are raised. You had the child, its your responsibily to raise the child in a civilized way.
9-10-2010 @ 6:17PM
Paula said...Shawn, 1) If a child, baby or otherwise is screaming in a restaurant, they need to be removed from the situation until they calm down. No, you don't yell at an infant to tell it to stop screaming. You just take them out, find out what the issue is, and tend to it. It's very simple. 2) Yes, children old enough to take instruction do scream and cause a fuss. If you don't think that, then I can't believe you have any kids of your own, or have any experience with kids whatsoever.
9-10-2010 @ 6:04PM
Crystal said...As far as Shawn's comment is concerned, babies should not be taken to fancy restaurants. They won't be able to eat the food there anyway and will probably be rather frightened by all the lights and noise and strangers (which is why they'll be screaming). The decent thing to do is to find a sitter for just one night or leave them with their grandparents. If you can't do that, wait till they're a little older and bring them then. Also, if someone does have a toddler who starts screaming during the meal, a person should take them outside for a good talk about how that isn't appropriate. It works even better if both parents are there because one can go outside with the child while the other guards their plates. The better idea would be to take the kids to a restaurant they might actually like, one that has burgers instead of calamari. If parents will have more curtesy for others, people can all digest their meals in peace.
9-10-2010 @ 6:17PM
Sewage City said..."...No child screams without reason...."
and those of us with well-behaved children or no children, don't CARE what the reason is.
"...About the only thing that does work is a little understanding..."
No, that does not stop the mis-behaving child. What works is removing the offending person, large or small, from a place the rest of us have to put up iwth them.
9-10-2010 @ 6:49PM
myssteryyy said...I agree Shawn... except I don't wish these people EVER have children as they just don't 'get it'.
Kids scream - it's healthy for them to do so, and sometimes they don't even know why they are doing it.
And I'll tell you something else, if any resturants where I live place those rediculous signs on their establishments - I will refuse to go there - even without my screaming child!!!
I think alot of people will feel this way, which means that these resturants will lose business - so be it!!!
9-10-2010 @ 5:53PM
wesley said...people should eat at home if they have that big of a problem with a screaming child.
9-10-2010 @ 5:57PM
eszalae said...I'm a parent with 3 children under 7. Thankfully they are well behaved in restaurants- even so- if we do go to one, we go in the earlier hours closer to 5. When I did not have children, I couldn't believe how badly behaved some kids could be in restaurants, and that their parents wouldn't do anything about it. I finally noticed they were usually there in the earlier dinner hours. I started going out around 8:30 or later and never had to deal with them. So, unless you're in Disney World, you should be safer if you go later.
9-10-2010 @ 5:58PM
Sharon said...You wouldn't allow a child to be screaming at the table at home. You either make there tails go to there room or spank there back side (which if people do that more they straighten the butts up) or if a small child change the nasty diaper or feed them!!
9-10-2010 @ 5:59PM
Kim said...I agree with the sane and considerate posters here! There is no excuse for acting like a brat in public. I'm in my mid-40's and if my brother and I acted up we were taken outside until we able to be civil. Especially in church - most have a supervised Nursery where they expect your children to scream - not during the service in the front row. Weddings, the movies, restaurants too!! Unfortunately the parents of today were apparently not brought up to think of others and be considerate. Everyone has "rights" these days - "I will do what I want, when and when I want and to hell with everyone else and what they think!" It's so sad and they don't even "get it" - their answer - oh let's just file a lawsuit and complain our rights have been violated.......
If I were the restaurant owner I would rather lose one customer with a screaming kid and have my regular customers happy, as they will come more often and bring their friends, due to the great atmosphere and someone not being afraid to say - Enough!
9-10-2010 @ 5:58PM
Deb said...Our Pastor had a wonderful saying he would frequently use before special events at the church. "Good intentions and crying children should be carried out immediately". A wise and tactful man.
9-10-2010 @ 5:59PM
Patty said...You are so ignorant. Remember you were a child once too. Only some one without compassion can make such an ignoramous statement like you have. I have been to plenty of restaurants where there are people who are obnoxious and annoy the people around them. If you want peace and quiet when you eat, then do it at home, don't go out.
9-10-2010 @ 6:05PM
ERENZY said...get over yourself may god have mercy on you i have a good doctor for you are having issues in your own life thats why you keep your anger going and but fault on everyone else i will pray for you but that mother ALONE MY SON
9-10-2010 @ 6:08PM
Rene said...Anybody who thinks its OK to let your child have a "Meltdown" in public is an idiot NOBODY wants to be burdened with your bratty kids but you and other lousy parents like you.
People work hard all week to afford to have a quiet peaceful dinner
quit being a tightass and hire a babysitter if your child is prone to these fits in public and that goes for any public place where people just want to get away from everyday stresses.
It was your choice to bring children into the world now the consequences (Good or bad) are your problem and not the rest of societies.
Children have meltdowns because they are ALLOWED to, this is the behavior you should expect when your kids are "YOUR" entire Universe.
I raised 2 children who are now 26 and 24 and I NEVER laid a hand on either one of them but make no mistake I never tolerated this kind of behavior especially in public. It is your obligation to get up and leave (wheather in a restaurant, store, mall wherever you are)with your bratty kids, the fact you are in a line to pay or sitting at a table with your food there is YOUR problem, not the rest of the worlds.
9-11-2010 @ 3:55AM
debbie said...im not sure what church you go to but jesus never turned children away especially sick ones oh and by the way no one seems to mind these children when they are teens and paying your social secruity !!!!
9-10-2010 @ 6:09PM
Kaye said...To Becky that wrote.."If a kid cries in church, don't you take them out so you don't ruin the service?" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If only that would be the case. Prior to reading your comment, my mind went to all those parents that let their children scream in Church. What has become of common sense and courtesy to let other people enjoy their time away from home.
9-11-2010 @ 10:39AM
jotwinowski said...Shawn: Stop being an idiot - ahysterical idiot at that! No one suggests you should persuade children to stop screaming; we are saying that you should remove them from the restaurant )or the church) or any other formal public occasion if they scream. And really, never go out again?? Come off it! Babies don't stay that ungovernable forever and, in the meantime, have you ever heard of babysitters?
9-10-2010 @ 6:13PM
ivi said...The most annoying adults i ever met, where also the most obnoxious kids i had known growing up. Why dont you morons think about when you used to be children and how awful you where and still probably are. Innocent children shouldent be discriminated agianst for learning how to cope with emotion in public. No one discriminated against you for being so judgemental and stupid!
9-10-2010 @ 6:23PM
laura said...u would think that one would take there screaming child out of a restraunt or church, however teaching children 2 b respectful in public has become obsolete! yes i have children, no u cant control a infant or very young toddler, that is when u take them 2 the restroom or outside, teaching them from the start that they dont get 2 stay an scream benifits them in so many ways, they will learn quickly that good behavior is rewarded w/ fun thus making it pleasent 4 urself as well as others around u. can an autistic child b taught this, YES i have seen it done, and when they r having a meltdown they 2 should b takin outside or the restroom, as a matter of fact mayb they r trying 2 tell the situation is overly stressful 4 them. However i have noticed parents 2 day r 2 busy w/ themselves 2 bother teaching there children any manners at all. I cant tell u the amount of times i have had 2 listen 2 a screaming child while the parent chat obliviously on there STUPID CELL PHONE!
9-10-2010 @ 6:17PM
Lisa said...I hear so many parents say, "If you don't behave, we're going to leave", yet they NEVER pack up their food and go. It took ONE time for each of my children to learn that if they acted up we left. Period. Our 10th wedding anniversary was coming up and we saved for months to afford a Steak & Ale dinner out. A huge treat for starving medical students. The evening was ruined by parents who let their two young boys literally run around the tables. I'm still mad to this day.
9-10-2010 @ 6:30PM
Jesse said...SHAWN (aka Idiot). You must not have had children- Moron. All sensible parents would get up and take the screaming child outside. Then when things calm down (if), you go back into the restaurant