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Should I Keep Loaning Money to My Adult Daughter?
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Dear AdviceMama,
I've loaned $5,000 to my grown daughter (she's in her 40s). She has also borrowed money from her sister and stepmother in the last year and a half. She has two homes, one that she and her family live in and a vacation home in the mountains. They had their motor home repossessed and are having a hard time making car and mortgage payments. I am about to retire and I really don't want to give them what I have saved towards retirement. Also, I think it wouldn't solve the problem -- it would just be a temporary fix. Of course, she's not too happy with me right now (she has hinted at needing another loan) and I feel bad. Thanks for your input.
Signed,
Reluctant ATM
Dear Reluctant ATM,
I'm sure you've heard this many times, but it's true: Don't lend money to relatives unless you're in a position to part with it forever. While I'm sure there are exceptions, I can't count the number of conflicts I've seen between family members over borrowing -- and repaying -- money. The loaner says, "You told me you'd repay me in February and it's August!" while their adult son replies, "Well you obviously you don't care about your whether your granddaughter gets to go to preschool!" And on it goes ...
No doubt your daughter intended to repay your $5,000, but if she's in over her head -- which sounds like the case -- you are definitely going to be at the end of the line when it comes to how she pays off her financial obligations.
Given the fact that you're about to retire, I wholeheartedly support you in deciding not to loan your daughter more money. You deserve to benefit from what you have worked hard to put away for the coming years so you can take care of yourself.
And I agree that simply handing over more money will not solve your daughter's problems. It could even prolong them by postponing the inevitable time when she and her husband take stock of their assets and liabilities and start living within their actual income.
But keep in mind that there's a delicate and indelicate way of letting your daughter know that she cannot expect more bailouts from you. Avoid lecturing her about how she has handled her money. Your harsh words will only further alienate and upset her.
Instead, empathize with her situation, and acknowledge how stressful it's been for her as she's tried to juggle everything on her financial plate. Tell her you're there to support her (emotionally) as she tries to sort out her financial challenges, but don't tell her what to do unless she asks for your advice! Be careful to avoid coming across as judgmental. Saying things like, "You shouldn't have bought that vacation house!" is not going to be helpful, and will only create more tension between the two of you.
If your daughter asks for more money, gently tell her, "I'm afraid that won't work for me, sweetheart." Then give her the room to express her disappointment without defending your position. Once she clearly knows what she can -- and can't -- expect from those who have been helping her financially, she'll be able to make decisions about how to get out from under her debt.
This doesn't mean you can't surprise your daughter or grandkids with an occasional check or bag of groceries. But let that be something you choose to do, based on your financial situation.
Yours in parenting support,
AdviceMama
AdviceMama, Susan Stiffelman, is a licensed and practicing psychotherapist and marriage and family therapist. She holds a Bachelor of Arts in developmental psychology and a Master of Arts in clinical psychology. Her book, Parenting Without Power Struggles, is available on Amazon. Sign up to get Susan's free parenting newsletter.
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ReaderComments (Page 6 of 11)
9-22-2010 @ 12:27PM
Julie said...Holy cow! I don't know how "auntie" got in there. Weird. Sometimes I don't notice a fill-in that happens. Anyway - "auntie" is me, Julie.
10-10-2010 @ 1:26AM
jean said...Your daughter sounds like a sociopath. She will destroy you if you let her.
9-21-2010 @ 10:03PM
Angie Boyd said...I like Sharon Goff''s comment: Short, to the point and helpful! I would only add a Latin motto I have lived by: Luctor et Emerigus. I am an old lady now, my elevent grade nun used to put this slogan on the blackboard everyday. It translates into 'struggle and emerge'. I think the mom looking for a response to her needy daughter should reflect on the merits of this motto and then convey it to her.
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9-21-2010 @ 10:04PM
GRACE2STAND said...I had twin stepsisters with very different personalities. Same parents, same everything. They both became pregnant during their senior year, both graduated and both married their baby's father.
HOWEVER, they were very different and their husbands were very different.
My dad got one twin's husband a good factory job, but the bum wouldn't get out of bed and go to work. The other twin's husband found his own job...He and his wife drove old cars, bought used furniture, and saved for a down payment on a house. Today they are retired, still married, live well and have loving, grown children.
The twin who married the bum got divorced, stole another woman's husband, got dumped by him and now lives on food stamps in a tiny, subsidized apartment.
We can't rescue anyone from bad choices. Some kids figure out life early, some never will figure it out.
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9-22-2010 @ 6:15AM
Savannah Guy said...It's simple, JUST SAY NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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9-21-2010 @ 10:08PM
EAK said...I know it's hard, but it's ok to tell your daughter that she needs to figure it out for herself. I am 28 years old and I ALWAYS pay my father back because I personally feel that his obligation to bail me out of money issues ended the day I felt that credit cards were are good idea. I am also 1 of more than 6 siblings, one of which does not feel the same way. Now at the age of over 38, she still goes to my father to bail her out and my father and mother are over 60. I, and everyone the rest of my siblings, worry about what she is going to do when my parents aren't around to help her anymore becuase we have families of our own and won't be able to. She will probably hate you for it in the short-term, but in the long-term of things, do helping her more than you can ever know.
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9-21-2010 @ 10:14PM
Frank Walters said...five thousand? you cheap Prk help her out find a way to give her more money! retirement? no-one retires everyone dies of cancer , give her the money you wont be able to spend it ! when your rotting !
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9-21-2010 @ 10:15PM
Jen said...Are you kidding me??? She's in her 40s, has 2 homes, presumably 2 household incomes.....and she still expects mommy to bail her out??? Key word: expects. The mother says that the daughter is upset with her for not loaning her the money this time. Well of course she is! Mommy has coddled and babied her for the last 40 years and NOW she decides it's probably not in the daughter's best interest?? Um, a tad late for that don't you think?? And the advice given by the columnist is a perfect example of the coddling and babying that has brought this 40-something woman to where she is now. It's also a perfect example of how people come to have a sense of entitlement. Here, the mother has helped her daughter out of the kindess of her heart over what appears to be several years. And the ungrateful 40-something year old daughter has the nerve to be angry with her mother for refusing to help her for the umpteenth time. Mom should have cut the apron strings a LONG time ago. Both mother and daughter need a qualified therapist and a financial counselor. And fyi, I moved out of my parent's house at 18 (of my own accord) and never moved back no matter how much I struggled and no matter how many times my mom offered. I'm now 29 (single) and I've asked for financial help from my parents on 3 occasions...all minimal amounts (much much less than $5k) and I paid them back each and every time, even when they told me it wasn't necessary. They told me it wasn't necessary because they know that I'm independent and that I would never ever take advantage of them or expect them to bail me out. I was raised better than that. I hope the mother ignores this columnist's advice and learns concepts such as "tough love" (which is absolutely essential to parenting, none of this coddling BS that gives kids a sense of entitlement from a young age) and then maybe she can teach her daughter important concepts such as "living within your means" and "the world doesn't owe you anything."
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9-21-2010 @ 10:11PM
Debster said...Oh, that's nothing. I'm in my mid-forties and have worked like a dog since I was fifteen. I gave my parents a credit card "for emergencies," as money was getting a little tight for them. What did they do? They went to Vegas. By the time I figured out what was going on, I was $5K in debt. I never borrowed a nickel from them, the whole time I was growing up. They never said a word about the charges. I had to report the card stolen to cut them off, now I'm stuck paying off their, "vacations."
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9-21-2010 @ 10:12PM
Mischca said...I watched my sister-in-law DESTROY her parents financially. It started out with the loans, then she got evicted from her house (she couldn't explain what she did with the money they gave her), she then moved back in with them, robbed them blind, and didn't move out until she was almost 50 years old. The stress of it all killed my mother-in-law. If that's all OK with the parents, then so be it. But I think most parents have trouble saying no. So parents, I am begging you: learn how to say NO. You might just live a lot longer.
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9-21-2010 @ 10:14PM
GRACE2STAND said...Julie, your daughter and mine could be twins. You have my complete empathy!
I finally told her "I wish you well, but you are toxic to me. I don't want to hear from you until you have changed."
She has the right to make her own choices, and I have the right to protect myself from her choices.
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9-29-2010 @ 8:51PM
auntie said...Grace, THANK YOU for your kind words! Gosh, it feels horrible - I cannot understand how it came to this. I have never been cruel to her, yet she is cruel to me - for money. I'm SO sorry to hear your daughter is doing the same thing.
9-29-2010 @ 8:52PM
auntie said...GRACE - somehow my name, Julie, got changed to auntie. Confusing...
9-21-2010 @ 10:14PM
Lynne said...When they're 40something getting thier nails done, pedicures, massages because they need to relax and then turn around and don't even send you a birthday card, it's time to pull in the reins.
I'll agree with some of the responders that you have reached a point it's useless to lecture, give advice on budgeting or any other lofty idea to bring about a frugal minded adult.Somehow you have missed the boat entirely.
Just say, in a calm manner, "No, I cannot. Prices have risen so high I have had to limit the amount I spend and watch every penny." Do not use the word "Sorry". No! You're not sorry. Sorry is a wimpy word that makes you sound like a push over. You should be past that.
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9-22-2010 @ 7:17AM
l88barone said...I know I am going to get nailed for this comment, but just sending out a reminder. The concept of sending our children out into the world after a certain age to fend and support themselves is only a concept that has been around for maybe 100 yrs., and still hasn't reached some corners of the world. Even as late as the LAST RECESSION families lived with their extended family under one roof, helping each other raising children and working for the good of the whole family. In China, the country that the US is in debt up to it's eyeballs to, the majority work for the better of the family. They would never kick their children to the curb and tell them to learn to swim or drown. Just because a person can learn to balance a check book, doesn't make them a better person. If we weren't so worried about our bank accounts, maybe our children would have better grade scores in school. And NO, I am not in debt, and I have not had to borrow money from my family.
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9-21-2010 @ 11:49PM
Sally said...Are you NUTS I88barone??? You stated: >> In China, the country that the US is in debt up to it's eyeballs to, the majority work for the better of the family. They would never kick their children to the curb and tell them to learn to swim or drown.
9-22-2010 @ 9:51PM
skdrake said...This would be fine, if ALL family members were working for the good of the family. It doesn't work when a few members want to live in the lap of luxury, on the hard work of the others. Does anyone really believe this daughter will take care of her parents in their old age, as is done in cultures where multigenerational homes are the norm? She will take the money, blow it on frivolous crap, and ask for more, then let a nursing home do all the diry work.
9-21-2010 @ 10:42PM
Chuck Simmers said...If you have the money, help!! If not don't...Do not expect the money back, though they, hopefully will try to pay t back. These are hard times...I feel sorry for those who cannot help the family
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9-21-2010 @ 10:17PM
Jen said...Are you kidding me??? She's in her 40s, has 2 homes, presumably 2 household incomes.....and she still expects mommy to bail her out??? Key word: expects. The mother says that the daughter is upset with her for not loaning her the money this time. Well of course she is! Mommy has coddled and babied her for the last 40 years and NOW she decides it's probably not in the daughter's best interest?? Um, a tad late for that don't you think?? And the advice given by the columnist is a perfect example of the coddling and babying that has brought this 40-something woman to where she is now. It's also a perfect example of how people come to have a sense of entitlement. Here, the mother has helped her daughter out of the kindess of her heart over what appears to be several years. And the ungrateful 40-something year old daughter has the nerve to be angry with her mother for refusing to help her for the umpteenth time. Mom should have cut the apron strings a LONG time ago. Both mother and daughter need a qualified therapist and a financial counselor. And fyi, I moved out of my parent's house at 18 (of my own accord) and never moved back no matter how much I struggled and no matter how many times my mom offered. I'm now 29 (single) and I've asked for financial help from my parents on 3 occasions...all minimal amounts (much much less than $5k) and I paid them back each and every time, even when they told me it wasn't necessary. They told me it wasn't necessary because they know that I'm independent and that I would never ever take advantage of them or expect them to bail me out. I was raised better than that. I hope the mother ignores this columnist's advice and learns concepts such as "tough love" (which is absolutely essential to parenting, none of this coddling BS that gives kids a sense of entitlement from a young age) and then maybe she can teach her daughter important concepts such as "living within your means" and "the world doesn't owe you anything."
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9-21-2010 @ 10:18PM
bluzmama said...When I got closer to retirement I was still occasionally bailing my sons out. The younger son has always paid back his loans. The closer I got to retirement the more I would remind the boys that once retired I would be on a fixed income and would not be in a position to make loans.
I hope the daughter has put her vacation home on the market because I would not be interested in loaning money if she hasn't. And in light of the fact that she has failed to pay back what she already owes me, I would definitely but kindly advice her that you can no longer help. You could offer to go over her finances to see if there's any fat that can be cut but I suspect she isn't interested in that!
As for children that cut off contact when the bank of mom and dad closes, I think I'd change my will to exclude them.
As a single parent I occasionally borrowed money from my parents but always paid it back. My siblings did so as well, but rarely paid it back.
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