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Someone was bullied in a Michigan classroom on Oct. 20. Exactly who was the victim and who was the bully, however, depends on your point of view.
Popular opinion -- at least as it was expressed at a community forum held Nov. 8 -- says Howell High School teacher Jay McDowell was in the right.
McDowell was suspended for a day, his supporters say, because he defended gay and lesbian students against hate speech. However, district officials say he violated the First Amendment rights of students.
Both sides, though, generally agree on the sequence of events that day.
Many Howell High School students came to class wearing purple T-shirts for Spirit Day, a national effort to oppose the bullying of gay and lesbian young people.
However, a female student came to McDowell's class wearing a Confederate flag belt buckle, instead. McDowell told her to remove it. She did so without defiance.
Then a male student asked why she was not allowed to wear a Confederate flag when other students were allowed to wear purple as a political statement. After McDowell explained his position, he asked the student if he had changed his mind.
The student said no. He still believed homosexuality violated his religious beliefs. At that point, McDowell ejected him from the classroom. Another student then spoke in support of the first student. He, too, was ejected.
Kim Root, a spokesperson for the Howell School District, tells ParentDish, officials learned all this after a thorough investigation. The students were not acting angry or belligerent, she says.
Even McDowell himself confirms this in interviews with the Associated Press and other news organizations.
Root says the district investigation was prompted by complaints from parents about how McDowell handled the students. She says officials suspended him after determining he violated district policies that protect students' freedom of speech.
The incident comes on the heels of highly publicized suicides by gay young people, suicides apparently prompted by bullying.
Emotions were running high at the Nov. 15 community forum before the Howell School Board.
Graeme Taylor, a 14-year-old resident of Ann Arbor, Mich., came to speak in support of McDowell.
"When you hear of things like Dr. King's speech that one day he wanted his grandchildren, his posterity, to not be judged on the color of their skin but on the content of their character, I hope that one day we, too, can be judged by the content of our character and not by who we love," he says in a video recording of the meeting.
"There is a silent Holocaust out there where an estimated 6 million gay people every year kill themselves," he adds.
That number is a bit inflated.
According to national statistics, an estimated 5 million Americans -- gay and straight -- of all ages attempt suicide every year.
David Hudson Jr., a scholar at the First Amendment Center in Arlington, Va., tells ParentDish McDowell is treading on unstable ground, as case law falls on both sides of the debate.
In Minnesota, a student wore a T-shirt in 2001 proclaiming "Straight Pride" and depicting a man and woman holding hands.
U.S. District Court Judge Donovan W. Frank ruled the school couldn't censor a message on a shirt merely because other students find it offensive, unless the shirt will disrupt the school environment.
However, the 9th U.S. Circuit of Appeals in California upheld the right of a school to ban an anti-gay T-shirt in 2007, ruling that gay and lesbian students are a protected minority.
Hudson tells ParentDish courts are more clear on the wearing of the Confederate flag. It is considered protected expression, he says, unless schools can prove it will inflame racial tensions or otherwise substantially disrupt the school days.
The bottom line is that teachers and administrators can't cherry pick the opinions they will allow to be expressed. The guiding principle on such matters was decided by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1969 case of Tinker vs. Des Moines.
Justices ruled students could wear black armbands in protest of the Vietnam War because school officials already allowed students to wear political buttons and exercise other forms of expression.
In a video recorded of this week's community forum, McDowell tells the school board the boy he tossed out of class is not bad. In fact, he adds, that's what worries him.
He says he wonders why the kids he ejected felt safe expressing views against homosexuality.
"That's on us," McDowell says. "We have to create an environment in these schools that makes it safe for everyone."
Root says district officials in Howell hope to use this incident as a teachable moment.
"We hope we can move on from this discussion and look at district polices on bullying and harassment," she tells ParentDish.
Educators find themselves on a perpetual tightrope, she says. Certainly gay students need to be protected from bullying, she adds, but people's First Amendment rights also have to be protected.
"There are some things that are obviously hate speech," she tells ParentDish. "Other things are obviously not."











ReaderComments (Page 1 of 37)
11-16-2010 @ 7:11PM
katie said...I'm live in a community neighboring Howell, so I take this story very personally, being that it hits so close to home. While there are certainly gray areas of law--especially when it comes to confederate flags or war protests--I think the school board was clearly in the wrong here. Hate speech is still hate speech, even when said calmly, or with religious doctrines to back it up.
The purple t-shirts are positive messages and are entirely different. Hate speech, on the other hand, is meant to be disruptive and inflammatory. It's just a low-down shame that this kid hates other people so much for who they are that he has to vocalize it at school. I hope his parents are embarrassed.
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11-16-2010 @ 9:19PM
Tom said...Why is it "hate" to say that homosexual behavior is dangerous or harmful to society? You may disagree with that statement, but to define it as "hate" is to cut yourself off from thousands of years of wisdom. You also deny the person you accuse of "hate' of the respect he or she deserves as a fellow human being.
11-17-2010 @ 2:43AM
amroddy said...Please read the history of something before your form opinions.Google confederate flag myths. All Southerners arent racist hate mongers. From where I stand it seems most of the incidents take place in LA and New york. Katie disagreement isnt hate speech. I wonder how many Muslim kids were bullied in school after 911 and no one did anything. If gays want to move forward stop being bullies yourself.
11-17-2010 @ 6:48AM
Paul said...There is NOTHING positive about being gay. It is immoral and sick. There is a reason for the creation of male/female. There is also a reason for a reproductive system. There is nothing anotomically correct in gay/lesbian sex, except for sexual gratification. Unless America speaks out en masse against this sick and perverse lifestyle and as long as we have these weak classes of people who condone this lifestyle, we only feed into their cause and allow them to grow. Freedom of speech, regardless of wether we like what is said or not, cannot be abridged. These kids were in the right to expand on their beliefs and thoughts.
11-17-2010 @ 8:32AM
Sandyone said..."Someone was bullied in a Michigan classroom on Oct. 20. Exactly who was the victim and who was the bully, however, depends on your point of view."
Boy, you got that right. Too bad the 'point of view' for some isn't based on Constitutional rights, but on moral preferences.
Your point of view also depends on your definitions of 'tolerate' and 'condone'. To tolerate something is to allow it to occur, whether you believe it's ok or not. To condone something is to pretend that you think it is ok. This teacher was not looking for tolerance. He was demanding that the students condone homosexual behavior or leave the classroom.
We tolerate all kinds of behavior that we don't agree with or approve of. Some examples are drinking, smoking, co-sleeping, bottle-feeding, public-schooling, sky-diving, circumcision, kids in too many activities, foul-language, meat eating, etc. Tolerating them does NOT mean that we have to agree with them, express approval of them or say that we believe they are acceptable behaviors. We do NOT have to condone behaviors that we believe to be wrong.
The teacher claimed that students who sit in fear can't learn. Does he realize that his students will all now fear having a disagreement with him? What a great precedent he's set..."If you disagree with me, I'll kick you out."
I would have loved to have heard the Catholic boy's presentation of his beliefs. It seems he must have done such a good job that the teacher couldn't counter those reasons with any actual logic. Since he's a teacher, he used his power to shut down the discussion.
If this was really about bullying, he could have questioned the boy about what his religious beliefs required/inspired him to do about homosexuals in his life. Possible answers, "Kick their asses", "Pray for them", "Befriend them and keep our sex lives to ourselves", "Befriend them and share our views on our sex lives". What a great teaching moment he missed!
Since the news reports that the discussion had no anger, I assume that the kids were presenting their views in an acceptable manner. The teacher didn't like their views, so he kicked them out. This was not about hate speech, it was about a disagreement on a moral issue.
11-17-2010 @ 8:31AM
Gary said...Katie, you are exactly what's wrong with this country.....the "Everyone must agree with me" mentality. This kid was NOT bullying anyone, just wearing a Confederate flag belt buckle.
This teacher and yourself share the same ignorance regarding the Confederate flag. The truth is that the only people who owned slaves were wealthy land owners, VERY FEW of which ever picked up a gun in the Civil War. The issue at hand was the right of states to govern themselves as entities, NOT as a pawn of a Federal Bureaucracy.
If you feel the Confederate flag is a symbol of oppression, then there are millions of people in this world who feel the same way about Old Glory. From my memory, more blacks suffered injustices under the waving of Old Glory than have ever under the Confederate flag.
This girl said NOTHING "hateful" and was not engaging in "bullying". She wore a damn belt buckle that simply had a flag that the TEACHER interprets as a symbol of hate. That's the TEACHER imposing his ignorant belief system on the child.
The issue at hand is that white Christians are fair game in this country. They are the ONLY group that the left can defame and suffer no political ramifications. Imagine if a Muslim teacher told a Jewish student to remove a Star of David because he found it to be a symbol of oppression?
It is not a violation of anyone's rights to say you're against homosexuality. It is a violation of rights to take any action to harm people for being homosexual, but NO ONE should ever be punished for not liking a certain lifestyle.
Freedom has many points of view....and you have to accept those you don't agree with just as you accept your own.
11-17-2010 @ 9:03AM
vabs said...How is asking why one expression of protest differs from another hate speech?
11-17-2010 @ 1:41PM
Melissa said...Since when is it a hate crime to say that your religious beliefs, the Bible, says homosexuality is wrong. I don't hate homosexuals, and I won't make them live their lives the way I want. I also will never deem what they do as moral or good. I am allowed my opinion. That is a right of mine. It is not hate. I don't agree with abortion either, and just because it is legalized, doesnt mean I cannot speak out against it. We live in a free country. Free for folks to be gay, free for me to say I'm not and my Bible says its a sin.
11-17-2010 @ 9:08AM
max said...Seems one sided to me. If the gays can stand up for what they believe in and wear their purple and rainbow flags, then Christians should be able to respond and stand up for their beliefs and anti-gay stances. Free speech is for all, not just an elect group. That being said, I hope all you people are happy for allowing your children to believe that a gay lifestyle is a normal one. There is nothing normal about it. It is sick and immoral. Tab A goes into Slot B. We have reproductive systems that allow us to procreate. You can't create if you're grinding uglies or blowing a load up someones arse. Even more scary is gay couples are allowed to raise children. What is this world coming to? How does a child explain my two mommies or my two daddys? It is confusing, distressing, and dangerous to nature and society. One man, one woman, Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve...
11-17-2010 @ 9:13AM
oneofeach4me said...@amroddy ~ this took place in Michigan, which is FAR from the southern states. I live in GA, and say what you want, but majority of the time, the Confederate flag is used as a display of hate. Period. However, I think the teacher should have diffused the situation and allow those children to state their beliefs, but at the same time make sure they understand that their beliefs are their own and should not be pressed onto others nor should your beliefs be an excuse to hate others.
11-17-2010 @ 9:14AM
Dale Oakley said...Education is supposed to raise curiosity about various topics and to learn how to question and how to derive a proper conclusion. With all of this political correctness, students are already at the losing end due to fear of questioning and being punished if they don't say just the proper words. If you want to see what is real scary, go to You Tube and watch Agenda 21 for Dummies and you can see what might be happening - the dumbing down of schools being done on purpose. This is very frightening. We all must be dilligent in questioning and studying so we can learn without fear.
11-17-2010 @ 9:21AM
Tracey said...We are entering dangerous territory when a person cannot express how they feel about a particular group or lifestyle without being accused of bullying and publicly punished. In this instance, the teacher was wrong. There was no "bulling" going on, just an honest dialogue about differing beliefs. If noting changes, our society will soon enter into a reverse draconian era where everyone is expected to have the same liberal views and conservatives will be persecuted.
11-17-2010 @ 9:18AM
maximum joe said...Liberal teacher wants everyone to accept homo sexuality and if someones religion is against it, then he kicks them out? So he is using hate speech himself as in hate against that childs religion for not agreeing with his point of view. Fire the teacher and he can have time to rally for the gay cause and not on the tax payers dime.
11-17-2010 @ 9:26AM
LN said...Expressing the belief that homosexuality is sinful and harmful to our culture is not hate speech. It's a valid point of view as well as protected under the Constitution. Yeah, kind of forgot about Freedom of Religion there, didn't you. You need to deprogram yourself. You're spouting PC rhetoric.
By the way, I too live close to Howell and I also take this extremely personally. If my child were in McDowell's class, I would pull him out in a heart beat. What right does this man have to shame children just because their personal convictions don't match up with his?
11-17-2010 @ 9:22AM
mickmick25 said...How is what the boy said in any way 'hate' speech. Just because you do not agree on something doesn't make it a 'hate' crime. Also, if you had read the story properly, you would have noticed that other students and the teach brought up the subject not the boy kicked out of class. Most religions say that homosexuality is a sin. The Christian religion does not tell anyone to hate the sinner, just the sin. Do you hate people who cheat on their spouses? Do you hate your kid if he tells a lie? Is it hate speech to say people shouldn't cheat or to tell your kid not to lie?
11-17-2010 @ 9:28AM
Crimsonrayne said...Sandyone and Gary... kudos to well thought out posts.
OP... not so much.
Those children were NOT participating in "hate speech", they were expressing their opinion in a calm fashion, and that teacher was 100% in the wrong to kick them from the room...especially since he was asking them questions that required answers.
Ignorant people are a major reason our country is in such a state now. Too many times people have decided that they absolutely must add their voice to an issue without taking any time to make sure what they are saying is accurate. People seriously need to educate themselves or be quiet and stop trying to drive the court of public opinion.
The school decided to make this statement. Why do so if there can be no learning or discussion from it?
11-17-2010 @ 9:30AM
snooz said...Since when is defending your own beliefs (especially in a nice way) considered "hate speech"? Why is it that anyone who does not consider the gay lifestyle 'OK' are homophobes? You had the right to say what you wanted on here, so why didn't the student, who had different beliefs, have that right? Oh, I see....it's a one sided street and everyone has to go your way?
11-17-2010 @ 9:39AM
Patti said...Tom, As much as I strongly agree with you that homosexuality
is wrong, it is one thing to hold onto a belief,express this belief when asked,and it is another thing altogether to use physical violence against those people in order to "express" what one feels is God telling them to do this. As a Christian, we are to know that only God judges and acts upon that judgement, and HE judges all of us, not just Gays, or whom we feel is not doing "right".
11-17-2010 @ 9:27AM
Rain said...I have family members whom are gay, but i DO NOT agree with the dismissal of the student, he was making a point. Why is it ok for one student to ware a rainbow flag but not a confederate flag for another student, not everyone has to agree. Our role as adults is to help kids learn that disagreement is natural but it doesn't have to bring HATRED along with it!!!!
11-18-2010 @ 12:50AM
Max said...I agree with you, fellow max. This is ridiculous. If the tables were turned the teacher would have been crucified by the general public. People with beliefs against homosexuality have their reasons for them and this flag of tolerance everyone seems to enjoy lifting high is completely vacuous unless those beliefs are held as valid as homosexual beliefs. I feel like this society keeps over correcting racism with more prejudice and that can never be healthy. disccriminating against straight kids for the sake of the gay community is just as bad as discriminating against the gays. making it a quota for how many black people each company is obligated to hire doesnt help african american''s but rather objectifies them and patronizes them. If what we are looking for is equality, shoot for equality. This entire nation is so boorish that i dont think ill ever bother voting.