Opinion: Banning Circumcision is Totally Nuts

if you want your child not to be circumzied that your just as it my choice to have mine circumsize is my choice. first you lied the circimsizm didnt kill the child the heart defect did and to call a ban on it is the obvouis nut case and all the followers who our trying force a ban by using unfactual claims and this child abuse crap is absurb and this whole idea that you will harm them because they didnt have a choice and is somehow going to destroy them is a bunch of bull, your factshave been destroyed by your oh by the way the child died from heart defect and not the circumsion so take you california nut case and just go away what do the feed you anyways most of the insane right issue have come from your state i have been to california ad i would never go back there i dont like theground moving under my feet or your insane thinking, so you our no different then a polictian and there untruths and lies about what they will do on bothside especially extremist in the tea party and you sound like you our one of them well sarting in jan you will the worse recession then this one and we will not come out of it, so you should be in psych ward with all of your loney friends and the nut case that started it.

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"What's not OK is imposing that philosophy on those who disagree."

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First, to address the issue of baby Joshua. It WAS the heart defect that killed him, but the STRESS from the circumcision helped to wear it out. He also bled out for 7 hours before getting stitched up because they nicked an artery. (I read the mother's original post before she deleted it.)

Second, it is the STIGMA of an whole man in America that women find repulsive. Because of what the entire population has been living with, this is why whole men are looked down upon.

Third, about men who are "happy" being circumcised... how do you know? You weren't given the option to see what it was like before, how do you know you are happier now? No one should make this decision based on someone else's experience. To say, "my neighbour was happier after he had his done" is just inferring that your neighbour and your son are the same person. Perhaps your son would have been happier if he still had his foreskin, but he will never know.

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First, to address the issue of baby Joshua. It WAS the heart defect that killed him, but the STRESS from the circumcision helped to wear it out. He also bled out for 7 hours before getting stitched up because they nicked an artery. (I read the mother's original post before she deleted it.)

Second, it is the STIGMA of an whole man in America that women find repulsive. Because of what the entire population has been living with, this is why whole men are looked down upon.

Third, about men who are "happy" being circumcised... how do you know? You weren't given the option to see what it was like before, how do you know you are happier now? No one should make this decision based on someone else's experience. To say, "my neighbour was happier after he had his done" is just inferring that your neighbour and your son are the same person. Perhaps your son would have been happier if he still had his foreskin, but he will never know.

I approve of this ban because it is just like any other ban that is done for the rights and welfare of an individual. To say it is taking away your rights is laughable. It is actually GIVING rights to your children. To subscribe to the "I brought you into this world" philosophy of parenting is heinous since children are individuals, like the rest of us. What if it was completely legal to tattoo your child at birth, even had health benefits for the future (maybe the ink fought off harmful bacteria), and your parents decided it would be "just so cute and aesthetically pleasing" to tattoo a bunny on your rump. Would you like that? To be a grown man with a little white bunny on your tush? I don't think so. This is hardly a side-by-side comparison but it at least demonstrates how silly it is to make a decision for your child that they may, or may not, agree with in the future.

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Sorry Barefoot, but we're staying put! Also, we ended up having two daughters, but we didn't find out the gender until their births, so we had plenty of time to noodle over the circumcision decision, and we did our research beforehand. The consensus we came to was if either baby was a boy, he was getting circumcised for a combination of health and aesthetic reasons.

None of which stops us from being pro-circumcision as well as being pro-let the parents make up their OWN damn minds on the subject!

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I have an idea..mind your business!! I'll do whatever I want with my children and if you don't like it..tough sh*t.

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First of all, female genital circumcision is completely different than male circumcision. Depending on the country, an actual piece of the clitoris is removed (cut off with scissors (non surgical)) meaning any pleasurable sensation that could have been had no longer exists, it is not done by a medical team of any sorts, it is done by old women who had it done to me and saw it done a few times, so now they are somehow legit to perform this procedure. On top of this, it is done in a non-sterile non-surgical room usually in a school room on top of desks covered with sheets. These children are not under any type of anesthesia and they are teens and pre-teens that can feel everything and remember it all, not new-born babies.... That is why it is illegal.

On another note, I am a daycare teacher and I have had 2 males that were Uncircumcised rushed to an emergency room to have an emergency circumcision because the decision to keep the foreskin that the parents made was too much work for them. As a baby, the foreskin needs to be pulled back (at least) daily, and cleaned as well as checked for any infection. If this is not done, (like these two sets of parents I had) Infection occurs and where there is infection there is inflammation, where there is inflammation there is swelling... I could no longer push the foreskin back help these parents clean these boys and due to swelling which I told the parents about daily for about a week, the boy could no longer urinate!!!! Thus needing an emergency circumcision. Circumcision is done for the good of the child, parents who make the decision have the worry of their child one day resenting them but they do it out of love, they don't hope their child is shunned one day!

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I highly doubt, even if this law does get passed, that it will make much of a difference. The fact of the matter is, if a parent wants their baby boy circumcised, they can just go into another state and have it done. And it is harder for men to keep clean enough not to give a woman some kind of infection. I will never sleep with an uncircumcised man for this reason. I even asked my fiance before we met if he was circumcised or not.

It's up to the parents to choose the procedure or not, and it doesn't really matter what anyone else thinks, especially the government. It's not like the babies will remember it, or know any different anyway.

Someone mentioned STD's.
If men really cared about contracting STD's, then they should be willing to wear a condom EVERY time, and the women they are with should MAKE them...no glove, no love. No excuses. This would cut down on STD's for men, as well as cancers and STD's for women, and abortion rates from unwanted/unplanned pregnancies.

But men don't want to be inconvenienced by any kind of birth control responsibility...instead women are forced to put poison in our bodies to prevent pregnancy. I was on birth control and it messed up my body so bad I can't ever have children now...all because someone refused to wear a condom for five minutes. Female birth control systems are far more UNNATURAL for our systems than a guy having a flap of skin or not, but no body cares about that do they?

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Girls are protected. Boys should be too. People would gasp in horror if a man suggested trimming his baby daughter's labia because "long labia look gross." Girls get infections and smegma, but we don't suggest cutting their genitals, do we? So why the double standard? It just blows my mind. Circumcision is barbaric.

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The decision has been made and I doubt my son will even care one way or another, since he won't know any different anyway. He will be circumcised and I don't give a damn what anyone has to say or thinks about my decision and YES, it is my decision, as the woman who gave birth to him. As parents we are the ones who make the choices about our kids, NOT the government.

People keep whining about how parents aren't taking control of their kids lives, and being involved, and being real parents, but the government keeps trying to pass laws making it harder and harder for parents to have any rights about how to raise their children and make decisions for them.

You don't get to have it both ways...either parents have rights over their kids, or we don't, If we have no rights as parents to have a say in what happens to our kids, then don't blame the parents when kids are uneducated and become criminals.

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You write , "...What's not OK is imposing that philosophy on those who disagree."

I completely agree. And when I was a little boy, my parents forced their philosophy on me. Today I still bear the scar.

I absolutely uphold religious freedom. If there are any adult men who want to be circumcised, then let them. But let the decision to have a penis cut and scarred be a decision be freely made by each man according to his own beliefs, not forced upon him as a child.

My father, a devout Christian man, was not circumcised as a baby. Interestingly he never decided to have his own penis cut, but that didn't stop him from deciding to have mine scarred.

I live in a poor country where the village showers in communal facilities. I am acutely aware from the looks of other men that there is something wrong with my penis. I bear no grudge toward my father; he did what he thought was right. But I do wish there would have been a law to protect my body. My father may have opposed it then, but he would accept it now.

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enough legislation already the books are full of special interest legislation you are more than welcome to your own beliefs and practices but please do not dictate my beliefs and practices with the law this country already has way too much of that

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It's ridiculous that circumcision has become so acceptable that we think there's an important decision that needs to be made about our sons' genitals. Why is the foeskin considered such an evil, disease ridden part of the body? There are other body parts that could get infected, dirty, or (gasp!) look ugly but we don't cut them off at birth.

I have a 6 month old who wasn't circumcised, though that's what I grew up seeing. During my pregnancy I thought maybe I'd think his penis was weird when I saw it during baths and diaper changes even though I didn't want to think that. That wasn't the case at all! Once I saw him and how perfect and normal he looked, the idea of cutting my healthy, precious baby seemed even more absurd. His penis isn't ugly at all. It's even kind of cute when he's cold and it wrinkles up, lol. He has never had any health problems either.

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