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The Curse of the Good Girl: Q&A With Author Rachel Simmons
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Did you know that being a good girl is actually a bad thing? It's bad for self-esteem, self-expression, risk-taking and personal authority. In short, it arrests a girl's ability to develop into a strong, confident woman.
Rachel Simmons, author of "The Curse of the Good Girl: Raising Authentic Girls with Courage and Confidence," defines a "good girl" as someone who is "unerringly nice, polite, modest, and selfless." Unfortunately, good girls grow up to become perfect moms: organized, Martha Stewart-types whose yoga-trim bodies are often seen dashing from the boardroom to PTA meetings to their kids' sporting events to shifts at the food co-op. Trying to be a perfect mother can set a destructive example for your daughter.
ParentDish spoke with Simmons about how parents can help their daughters avoid the trap of "good" girlhood. An edited version of the conversation follows:
ParentDish: Can women use this book as a way to get a hold of their own subconscious good-girl tendencies?
Rachel Simmons: It's one of the central goals. I find that too much parenting advice focuses on what to do to your child in order to make your child smarter, faster, better, nicer, when actually, the reality is who parents are and what parents do plays much more of a role in who our kids become. In my opinion, a lot of parenting advice is very misplaced and actually ends up putting the onus on the kid to be something without actually having us look at ourselves. Particularly when it comes to women; women script girls in how to hold their bodies, how to speak about themselves, how to relate to other people, how to manage their feelings. And so who we are as women is far and away going to affect who a girl becomes more than what we say to our kid, like, "You are a good kid;" "You are a smart kid;" "You did a good job."
The thing that has most surprised me about writing this book is the number of adult women who have come up to me and have said, "I don't even have kids and I'm reading this book."
We know that when women hit a certain age, about 40 or 50, they start to say, "You know? I don't really care what you think anymore." But until that point there's not a huge amount that differentiates us from girls. So much of my mission is to get girls to have some of that 50-year-old fierceness earlier.
Author Rachel Simmons.
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PD: I'm curious about what your childhood was like and why this has become your mission?
RS: How long do you have?
PD: (Laughs)
RS: My mom and my mom's mom played a really big role in my upbringing. They're just very outspoken, independent women who experienced difficulty in their lives. My grandmother's a Holocaust survivor and my mom was born in a displaced person's camp. [They were] women who endured a lot of stress in their lives, so were very determined that I be independent and that I be able to take care of myself.
PD: What would you say is a father's role?
RS: I think Dads are hugely important and underrated and I probably should have done a separate chapter about them, but didn't. A lot of times when a father can bring his own set of [behaviors] to his daughter, that's really good to see. Because a lot of times moms are strongly identifying with what their daughters are doing socially, particularly, that it's really hard for them to get any distance, whereas a lot of dads are like, "Wait a minute. Why are you guys giving each other the silent treatment? Just talk it out."
What's unfortunate is that fathers often perceive their very maleness as a disqualifier from helping girls, when, in fact, it is often that different set is exactly what girls need.
PD: What can parents do to help their daughters be strong?
RS: I always think of these things in terms of muscles. You want to develop your daughter's muscles in the areas we know that females don't develop. Muscles to say what you're good at. Muscles to say, "No." Muscles to say "thank you" when you're complimented.
Somebody says, "Sorry" and you say, "Oh, it's OK." "Oh, you totally betrayed me? Don't worry about it." You can use the word "skills" as another word for muscles, but I think girls need to practice ... [Girls] need to be able to fail and have a sense of humor about it. The idea of the muscle is that it takes repetition and if you don't use it, you lose it.











ReaderComments (Page 2 of 4)
1-20-2011 @ 7:21AM
gmwilliams said...Good girls are stupid, meek little martyrs who let people walk all over them. Good girls get nowhere and do not succeed. Women who are selfish get everywhere. Selfish women know who they are and take no guff from anyone. My mother was a good girl who put others first like a fool but she was miserable and people often mistreated her. I, on the other hand, put myself first, second, third, and fourth and outsucceeded my mother. I will grab anything for success and I am not modest. Modesty is for fools and sycophants.
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1-20-2011 @ 8:23AM
anonymous said...Too bad everyone you know probably hates you and talks about you behind your back. Try to find a nice middle ground between being a doormat and being a bitch. I agree that you get walked on if you are too nice, but if you are too bitchy, you will just get old and die alone. What will your "success" matter then?
1-20-2011 @ 9:04AM
romulusmedusa said...Scary...
1-20-2011 @ 11:39AM
citi2030 said...Spoken like a lonely, bitter, old hag...... Enjoy those golden years by yourself....and as you take your last breath alone with no one holding your hand and looking into your eyes you can try to make yourself feel better by telling yourself how much better you are than your mother. You are sad and pathetic....
1-20-2011 @ 7:56AM
oldthudman said...I guess that means we need to look to the type hollywood crowds for our roll models????......I think not!!!...........
We, this country, needs more "good girls".......and good men!!!
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1-20-2011 @ 8:24AM
anne said...I don't agree with this book either, A lot of the girls today, act like they are a memebers of the Kardashian family, spoiled, or they think they gotta act like the partiers on Jersey Shore. It's good to be indepentent but, you don't need to shove it in the mans face either. I 'd rather deal with nice then pushy and bulling. My son is 25 and looking for a nice girl I sometimes wonder if there is any out there with this generation.
1-20-2011 @ 9:01AM
DadsInCourt said...Although I haven't read the book yet, this article sends a mixed up message. It IS possible to raise a girl (or boy) to have all the desirable qualities (being nice, selfless, kind), AND be a confident person with great self esteem.
When you try to take the word "good" out of the child rearing equation, you defeat one of the most important parts of the process.
http://DadsInCourt.blogspot.com/
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1-20-2011 @ 7:27PM
Rich said...I am a single father.At first I was a bit angry to see the title of this article but then I read a bit farther..My 17 yr old is the joy of my life. She has been through hell in her life and has had to grow up fast, She is smart, beautiful and an independent thinker. I would say a good girl..She doesnt do drugs.not out having sex or going to parties.She has her head on straight.I think that a sheltered girl might be a better way to discribe the authers good girl tag.My daughtr and I are very open and discuss whatever we need to discuss,It is my favorite word BALANCE.. I tell her she is like a four horse chariot, with three horse running so beautifully and together . the fourth horse is the one looking around.If they all get in unision its hell on wheels..My point being is that she is growing up and doing so many things wonderfully and not to overlook how well she is doing but she is still growing up. I like the term good girl because it is one that so many parents can understand. So much is done with the english language that words that used to mean onething before now mean something else....Racheal good article just bad wording "Good Girls Finish Last"
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1-20-2011 @ 8:58AM
DadsInCourt said...What an insane approach.
I've raised a daughter to be confident and self reliant...and to be kind, nice, and selfless.
Taking "good" out of the child rearing equation is a recipe for disaster.
Does this author have any sort of spiritual base?
Thumbs down...
http://DadsInCourt.blogspot.com/
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1-20-2011 @ 8:59AM
K said...I think there is a middle ground like someone said prev, I def do not agree with the book. I was one of those "good girls" and I did OK. Now I still spoke my mind and stood up for myself though. There is a way to do it without being a B**ch also. You can achieve your goals, while being an intelligent person who does do the right things in life and still be the good girl. Just because you choose to be like that does not mean you will not go somewhere. Just because you stand up for yourself in a "nice way" doesnt mean you wont get anywhere.
I just have chosen to be mean or nasty throughout my life.
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1-20-2011 @ 9:45AM
kay said...I only read the first two paragraphs...what BS!!!! I was always the "good girl" and absolutely nothing wrong with my confidence. A child needs to be raised to be themselves...bad child ...most likely a bad adult, good child most likely a good adult!
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1-20-2011 @ 9:25AM
gary james said...Good girls are boring,have very little common sense,and are very dependent.I can get one in my bed in 10 minutes.They will believe most anything. I would rather be with a very bad girl.More fun to be with.Much better in bed.Secure with themselves.Have common sense enough to know if a guy is nice or a bad boy.Lets face it.Guys like bad girls,and Girls like bad boye because there is never a dull moment.Its like a soap opera.
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1-20-2011 @ 11:11AM
idokneadyou6140 said...Wow you sound like a real prize.
1-20-2011 @ 9:26AM
grampz05 said...The premise of this article is about as absurd as anything I've ever heard.
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1-20-2011 @ 9:34AM
Blair said...People, people, people. Calm down. She isn't talking about GOOD v.BAD. She is not talking about raising bad girls, she is talking about raising girls that aren't so good and don't do everything in their life to make others happy, sacrificing who she is as an individual. What she is simply saying it that she needs to be strong and develop "muscles" so they will have a mind of their own. That doesn't constitute being a bad girl last I checked. She is just encouraging parents to teach their daughters to stand up for what they believe in and work hard.
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1-20-2011 @ 11:48AM
Sandra DiGaetano said...Thank you Blair for having the common sense to not over react to this article.
1-20-2011 @ 9:44AM
Liz said...This "expert" has written a book with an odd message.
Fantastic girls and women and boys and men are assertive and self-respecting, but compassionate and gracious. The rest is fluff.
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1-20-2011 @ 9:46AM
jcole72722 said...I do believe she's Jewish. Christians aren't raised the same way.
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1-20-2011 @ 10:07AM
gina said...I can't believe that women would buy that crap, "The Curse of The Good Girl".....BURN IT !!! There is no perfect way to raise a child(daughter). NO One has the entitlement to knowing perfection... Common sense,Moral values,and Respect is what's needed here. Which,by todays standard is on a downward spiral into oblivion. The only women that would take heed to this stupid book's advice are the ones who unfortunately maybe didn't have or don't have motherly support, or support from anyone for that matter.,and are low on self esteem,self confidence,etc. I have a beautiful 18 yr old daughter...She's a Good Girl. And no.,she doesn't think she's better than anyone else. I taught her to believe in herself,not to rely on some book to tell her how to live. And not to worry about what people think.,To live her life.,to be truthful,kind and generous to others., To speak up for herself,and those who can't. To not let the media turn her into a plastic doll.,or let the negative actions of someone else bring her down. And yes to continue to be a 'Good Girl".
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1-20-2011 @ 10:57AM
Jeanne said...Here's to all the GOOD WOMEN who don't allow men to define their character! As for me and my daughter we will choose a life of integrity. Wise women make wise choices. Being assertive is part of being mature. Wise, mature good women are blessed, genuinely happy and the world envies their strength! Actions speak louder then words.
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