
The Curse of the Good Girl: Q&A With Author Rachel Simmons
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Did you know that being a good girl is actually a bad thing? It's bad for self-esteem, self-expression, risk-taking and personal authority. In short, it arrests a girl's ability to develop into a strong, confident woman.
Rachel Simmons, author of "The Curse of the Good Girl: Raising Authentic Girls with Courage and Confidence," defines a "good girl" as someone who is "unerringly nice, polite, modest, and selfless." Unfortunately, good girls grow up to become perfect moms: organized, Martha Stewart-types whose yoga-trim bodies are often seen dashing from the boardroom to PTA meetings to their kids' sporting events to shifts at the food co-op. Trying to be a perfect mother can set a destructive example for your daughter.
ParentDish spoke with Simmons about how parents can help their daughters avoid the trap of "good" girlhood. An edited version of the conversation follows:
ParentDish: Can women use this book as a way to get a hold of their own subconscious good-girl tendencies?
Rachel Simmons: It's one of the central goals. I find that too much parenting advice focuses on what to do to your child in order to make your child smarter, faster, better, nicer, when actually, the reality is who parents are and what parents do plays much more of a role in who our kids become. In my opinion, a lot of parenting advice is very misplaced and actually ends up putting the onus on the kid to be something without actually having us look at ourselves. Particularly when it comes to women; women script girls in how to hold their bodies, how to speak about themselves, how to relate to other people, how to manage their feelings. And so who we are as women is far and away going to affect who a girl becomes more than what we say to our kid, like, "You are a good kid;" "You are a smart kid;" "You did a good job."
The thing that has most surprised me about writing this book is the number of adult women who have come up to me and have said, "I don't even have kids and I'm reading this book."
We know that when women hit a certain age, about 40 or 50, they start to say, "You know? I don't really care what you think anymore." But until that point there's not a huge amount that differentiates us from girls. So much of my mission is to get girls to have some of that 50-year-old fierceness earlier.
Author Rachel Simmons.
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PD: I'm curious about what your childhood was like and why this has become your mission?
RS: How long do you have?
PD: (Laughs)
RS: My mom and my mom's mom played a really big role in my upbringing. They're just very outspoken, independent women who experienced difficulty in their lives. My grandmother's a Holocaust survivor and my mom was born in a displaced person's camp. [They were] women who endured a lot of stress in their lives, so were very determined that I be independent and that I be able to take care of myself.
PD: What would you say is a father's role?
RS: I think Dads are hugely important and underrated and I probably should have done a separate chapter about them, but didn't. A lot of times when a father can bring his own set of [behaviors] to his daughter, that's really good to see. Because a lot of times moms are strongly identifying with what their daughters are doing socially, particularly, that it's really hard for them to get any distance, whereas a lot of dads are like, "Wait a minute. Why are you guys giving each other the silent treatment? Just talk it out."
What's unfortunate is that fathers often perceive their very maleness as a disqualifier from helping girls, when, in fact, it is often that different set is exactly what girls need.
PD: What can parents do to help their daughters be strong?
RS: I always think of these things in terms of muscles. You want to develop your daughter's muscles in the areas we know that females don't develop. Muscles to say what you're good at. Muscles to say, "No." Muscles to say "thank you" when you're complimented.
Somebody says, "Sorry" and you say, "Oh, it's OK." "Oh, you totally betrayed me? Don't worry about it." You can use the word "skills" as another word for muscles, but I think girls need to practice ... [Girls] need to be able to fail and have a sense of humor about it. The idea of the muscle is that it takes repetition and if you don't use it, you lose it.











ReaderComments (Page 3 of 4)
1-20-2011 @ 11:22AM
libby said...I disagree. Women can be polite, caring "good girls" and still be strong and confident. This world has to many bit**y, crabby, "strong" it's all about me women. The girls I grew up with who were the good girls were for the most part the ones who grew up to be the most successful, good moms, good people. There is nothing wrong with being polite, caring, and putting others needs before yours (sometimes). It doesn't mean being a doormat. It is important to learn to say no sometimes, but those "good girls" are the one's that keep this world running. Someone has to be the soccer mom, or teach Sunday school, or chaperone the school dance etc......Good girls should be PROUD of all that they add to society.
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1-20-2011 @ 11:47AM
Sandra DiGaetano said...Oh for heaven’s sake; the author is not advocating all women/girls be ‘bitches’. She is just trying to get the point across that the good girls who tend to be too polite and self sacrificing tend to try and please others, instead of being what they would like to do or be. You do need a bit of spunk in order to succeed in life.
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1-20-2011 @ 2:17PM
TheTruth said...The author of this book has clearly confused the word "good" with "perfectionist." Those are two very different concepts.
Frankly, I'm surprised the publisher&editor did not catch that...or they did, but didn't care as they hoped her newest book would bring in money for them (and let's face it the title "The Curse of the Good Girl" is more attention grabbing and relatable than "The Curse of the Perfectionist"). This author did not use to be such a flake, but I suppose greed/want for attention has corrupted her.
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1-20-2011 @ 11:57AM
Anna said...I think it's very important to keep girls from being pushovers. But there is such a thing as being empowered from being good, this comes from having character, virtue, and convictions.
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1-20-2011 @ 12:04PM
geomcd said...More complete hogwash. This article is plain STUPID. Being 'good' is a plus to anyone. I've lived long enough to see it, and common sense tells you this article was written by a 'pea' brain.
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1-20-2011 @ 1:52PM
jojo said...Believe it or not, there is a "Happy Medium". You can be a good woman and still be true to yourself. You don't have to disrespect yourshelf by jumping into bed with every male to cross your path and have children without benefit of marriage, or engage in fights, be disrespectful to parents, etc, to be yourself! To my mind what this author has written is a lot of "Who Shot John"!
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1-20-2011 @ 12:06PM
Eddie said...I make the good girls go bad.
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1-20-2011 @ 12:20PM
Becca said...I raised a very sweet, polite, but confident young lady. Her office co-workers kept telling her she was "too nice". My girl told them that she is the way she is and she isn't going to change that simply because they think she should... and she was polite about it. I am so proud of my daughter!
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1-20-2011 @ 12:12PM
Martha Hankins said...I think I understand what the author is trying to say: not that girls should be taught to be bitches, but that they are often not taught to know when to be assertive. I've lived this myself. My own mother had to move back in with her parents while she was pregnant with me, due to going through a divorce. My grandmother became my caregiver while Mom worked a full-time job. There was a clear family hierarchy: My grandmother ruled with an iron fist, then Mom was the second-in-command. I was expected to not question ANYTHING I was told to do, just to be obedient. As a result, I became a doormat. I still struggle with asserting myself. I didn't stand up for myself on one of the most important issues of my life: whether to have children. I knowingly married a man who was adamant about not having any, and I went along with his wishes in order to have his companionship. He passed away last August, and as part of my grieving process, I'm kicking myself for not standing up for my desire for a family. Now I'm 45 and the midlife change in attitude is kicking in. I have started looking into building a family as a single parent (don't know if I will adopt or try to have a baby), regretting all the years I wasted. How differently things could have turned out if I had learned earlier when to assert myself. I hope this book helps girls to learn the proper balance between being cooperative and being assertive. I also hope any daughters I might have can learn that balance.
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1-20-2011 @ 12:16PM
Mickey Glick said...I saw what was happening to my 14 year old niece 15 years ago. I told her she had to speak up. Her opinion mattered. She was as smart if not smarter than boys. I told her to call her teachers to task for dismissing her as a female. There were other things that I encouraged her to do as well. She has a mind of her own. She has walked her walk and talked her talk. I'm proud of her. By the way I am her uncle.
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1-20-2011 @ 12:54PM
msskt said...What a joke, this seems like it was written by someone who feels they have fallen far short of being a good girl and is trying to justify it by saying it is not good to be a good girl in the first place. "Perfect Mom, Yoga trim bodies, dashing from PTA meetings", wow the author thinks these are bad things?
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1-20-2011 @ 2:23PM
Momof3 said...Good girls are loving, confident, polite, respectful, disciplined, faithfu, spiritual, and many other qualities. It's because of today's mindset that there is so much selfishness instead of selflessness. It's a shame how times have changed so that having these good qualities is considered a negative. The females you are describing are pushovers, not good girls. There's a saying that I keep close to my heart but is true for men and women, boys and girls....
JESUS IS 1ST, OTHERS ARE 2ND, I AM 3RD.
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1-20-2011 @ 12:23PM
diane said...Being moral makes you confident, strong, and happy. If you follow the 10 commandments they were written by God to show us the way to joy. All mean people are bitter and raise kids like themselves. She sounds like a very evil woman who would even suggest kids be immoral and evil..Demonic person if ever i saw one.
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1-20-2011 @ 1:50PM
plaarch said...I think you are all wet. I married a "Good Girl" and have become a better person for it.
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1-20-2011 @ 12:29PM
diane said...Bad girls end up first in HELL. They live very miserable and unhappy lives and bring misery and pain to everyone else.
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1-20-2011 @ 12:32PM
PJ said...What a bunch of garbage!!
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1-20-2011 @ 12:34PM
warren said...is that the key to why the majority of women today are totally worthless as wives, mothers and anything to do with society that would involve morality? Take just a sec and do a search in your neighborhood for sex offenders and if you are concerned for our society, if you are concerned for the children that are suffering, if you are concerned for the broken marriages, then you will be horribly alarmed at the % of sex offenders in YOUR area. I live in the country outside of Tucson, acre plots, maybe 15 properties on this road and I have received 3 notices from the county warning me of sex offenders. Now these were not the 18 yr. old kid that had sex with a 17 yr. old and there are a bunch of those that are being classified as sex offenders, no, no, these are 30 yr. old men with a 12 year old, 62 yr. old man with a 7 year old, and 2 homo's possessing and dist. porn of children INFANT TO 12 YEARS OLD!!! 99% of the fools who applaud nudity and sex would be horrified if I waved a drink in front of a recovering alki, or offered a box of donuts to a person almost dead from being over weight and suffering heart problems, and yet you are so stupid that you say nothing about the growing websites that fill this inter net with girls, legs spread, masturbating for anyone who wants to see them perform. After a few hours of that, a large % of men are going to do things that even they didn't think they were capable of and a daughter, a neighbor, a student, is going ot suffer. NOW! let's hear the smart ass remarks from those of you who stupidly suppport this crap and indulge in it.
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1-20-2011 @ 12:39PM
warren said...Thank you Diane!
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1-20-2011 @ 12:45PM
Saeed said...Good girls are a blessing and not a curse.Bad girls, on the other hand may seem to get ahead momentarily but they lose in the end.
Same applies to the boys.
A good girl is priceless and has a sweetness and purity that defies description.She also brings to her home a peace and tranquility that no other kind can.
Let's hear it for all you good girls out there.Stay sweet and pure because you are women and God's best creation and the best ally that a good man can have.
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1-20-2011 @ 7:20PM
Rich said...Alicia I did like what you wrote and I agree with so much of it because thats how my daughter is and what I tell her is the best way to be. Girls, women have such a balance with all their feelings and emotions and they do want to please and help. But there are so many people and men that want to take advantage of that and totally tarnish what and how things should be in a fair logical society.Hats off to your mom for helping and talking to you. And to you for making the choice not to be a doormat. I tell my daughter its a world of choices ..The choices we make well the town of conseqenses is just down the road. but to be an individual as I see you are is wonderful.my daughter will be one of the leaders in her generation by choice and I love that she will stand up for what she believes whether she stands alone or not.. Well done and good luck in life young lady
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