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The Curse of the Good Girl: Q&A With Author Rachel Simmons
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Did you know that being a good girl is actually a bad thing? It's bad for self-esteem, self-expression, risk-taking and personal authority. In short, it arrests a girl's ability to develop into a strong, confident woman.
Rachel Simmons, author of "The Curse of the Good Girl: Raising Authentic Girls with Courage and Confidence," defines a "good girl" as someone who is "unerringly nice, polite, modest, and selfless." Unfortunately, good girls grow up to become perfect moms: organized, Martha Stewart-types whose yoga-trim bodies are often seen dashing from the boardroom to PTA meetings to their kids' sporting events to shifts at the food co-op. Trying to be a perfect mother can set a destructive example for your daughter.
ParentDish spoke with Simmons about how parents can help their daughters avoid the trap of "good" girlhood. An edited version of the conversation follows:
ParentDish: Can women use this book as a way to get a hold of their own subconscious good-girl tendencies?
Rachel Simmons: It's one of the central goals. I find that too much parenting advice focuses on what to do to your child in order to make your child smarter, faster, better, nicer, when actually, the reality is who parents are and what parents do plays much more of a role in who our kids become. In my opinion, a lot of parenting advice is very misplaced and actually ends up putting the onus on the kid to be something without actually having us look at ourselves. Particularly when it comes to women; women script girls in how to hold their bodies, how to speak about themselves, how to relate to other people, how to manage their feelings. And so who we are as women is far and away going to affect who a girl becomes more than what we say to our kid, like, "You are a good kid;" "You are a smart kid;" "You did a good job."
The thing that has most surprised me about writing this book is the number of adult women who have come up to me and have said, "I don't even have kids and I'm reading this book."
We know that when women hit a certain age, about 40 or 50, they start to say, "You know? I don't really care what you think anymore." But until that point there's not a huge amount that differentiates us from girls. So much of my mission is to get girls to have some of that 50-year-old fierceness earlier.
Author Rachel Simmons.
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PD: I'm curious about what your childhood was like and why this has become your mission?
RS: How long do you have?
PD: (Laughs)
RS: My mom and my mom's mom played a really big role in my upbringing. They're just very outspoken, independent women who experienced difficulty in their lives. My grandmother's a Holocaust survivor and my mom was born in a displaced person's camp. [They were] women who endured a lot of stress in their lives, so were very determined that I be independent and that I be able to take care of myself.
PD: What would you say is a father's role?
RS: I think Dads are hugely important and underrated and I probably should have done a separate chapter about them, but didn't. A lot of times when a father can bring his own set of [behaviors] to his daughter, that's really good to see. Because a lot of times moms are strongly identifying with what their daughters are doing socially, particularly, that it's really hard for them to get any distance, whereas a lot of dads are like, "Wait a minute. Why are you guys giving each other the silent treatment? Just talk it out."
What's unfortunate is that fathers often perceive their very maleness as a disqualifier from helping girls, when, in fact, it is often that different set is exactly what girls need.
PD: What can parents do to help their daughters be strong?
RS: I always think of these things in terms of muscles. You want to develop your daughter's muscles in the areas we know that females don't develop. Muscles to say what you're good at. Muscles to say, "No." Muscles to say "thank you" when you're complimented.
Somebody says, "Sorry" and you say, "Oh, it's OK." "Oh, you totally betrayed me? Don't worry about it." You can use the word "skills" as another word for muscles, but I think girls need to practice ... [Girls] need to be able to fail and have a sense of humor about it. The idea of the muscle is that it takes repetition and if you don't use it, you lose it.
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ReaderComments (Page 4 of 4)
1-20-2011 @ 1:31PM
justaperson said...I was the typical good girl growing up...studied, got exceptional grades, never snuck out or partied, didn't sleep around, was polite and nice (had manners), took care of my responsibilities, always did as I was asked (well usually...not doing my chores was my form of teenage rebellion)....and I got treated like crap by my peers. I tried to please everyone but myself, yet was never really happy...just kinda content. However, as I got older and started learning what it meant to be an adult, I learned that I had to change a few things about myself to make it in this world. I don't have kids yet, but I don't think raising my future daughter the way I was raised would be a bad thing...I think I would just like to include a few more things I have learned after I moved out too...like its ok to say no if you really don't want to do something for someone...and its ok to have fun over always working. Life is too short to always try to be perfect. No one is. There is a fine line between being a good girl and trying to be perfect. I kind of understand what the author is trying to say about good girls finishing last. I had always done what you are "suppose" to do and somehow always got crapped on...but that's life. When I quit trying to please everyone, I became a much happier person. I think that is what her main point is...women are notorious for trying to be perfect and please everyone without thinking of themselves...which sets you up for being unhappy later in life. You gotta think of yourself sometime and stand up for yourself...if you don't, no one else will. And it only took me 25 yrs to figure that out...not 40 or 50.
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1-20-2011 @ 1:34PM
Brianna said...Wow where do I even begin with this ! Being a good girl is a bad thing ? Has anyone turned on the TV lately or read their local newspaper ? Between the school shootings and on-line bullying is this really the message we want to send ? There is a fine balance between teaching your kid to do the right thing, be considerate, while being able to determine if something is specifically harmful to their sense of worth and feelings. Frankly, this day in age I think we especially need to be raising thoughtful individuals. With all of the tragedies around us, we need to take a deep look at ourselves and realize we are at fault for today's society.
I especially disagree with the author's comments, "Unfortunately, good girls grow up to become perfect moms: organized, Martha Stewart-types who's Yoga trim bodies are often seen dashing from the boardroom to PTA meetings to their kids sporting events to shifts at the food co-op." Wow it sounds like the author may have an issue with Mom's in general. To me that statement is a matter of opinion. First of all Martha Stewart-types are extremely organized (a great quality), yoga trim bodies require time and discipline correct ? (doesn't this mean taking time out for yourself ? does this fall under the good girl? Because as we all know any perfect mother would put her family first right, ignoring her own desires.) Dashing from the boardroom to PTA meetings (being able to delegate your time and multi-task, wow sounds like the perfect employee to me ! ). Sounds like a well rounded individual.
I worked my behind off in a government job for 12 years and recently left that job to be able to stay at home and watch our 14 year old begin his high school years. Let me say my family always comes first, and yes I am first a wife and a mother, secondly a daughter ,sister then friend. I ALWAYS say no to my husband, child, and family members if their is just something I can't do. I teach my kid to clean his own bathroom and do his own laundry (he will need to do this when he goes to college), and I don't over extend myself on Charity events even though I do, do them because I feel it's important. You also do not want to meet me in a boardroom. I'm personable, sharp minded, creative, and extremely organized, I've never sold-out a fellow employee, never cheated to get the advantage, always gotten along with anyone I worked with. I also know that my work was never questioned, I was never mico-managed, and let my work speak for itself. While many of the other employees who often received promotions over me were constantly being disciplined, and micro-managed. I never had the stress they faced.
Don't get me wrong I will be reading this book to see more of this authors perspective because I believe I can take and learn from things that I disagree with. I'm hoping the author actually did her research by discussing this topic with several mom's and teen girls.
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1-24-2011 @ 1:28PM
Ray said...Pure HOGWASH!! This woman is a menace. I am a father of 5 with 3 girls. 2 were straight As 1 was Bs and a bit wild. All are completely different. I'm just glad none of them will read this drivel!
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1-20-2011 @ 2:01PM
Kim said...I think that what she means by "Good" could better be described as "Compliant," the sort of girl who is demure and obedient to a fault. I know one girl like that, and, while she is the kindest, best hearted person I know, she's a shrinking violet, usually puts her own needs last, and has absolutely no sense of self. As a female, I try to find a happy medium. I try to be loving and kind and polite to everyone I meet-that's just good Karma. At the same time, I will fulfill my god-given potential to do great things and build a life on my own terms, and nobody else's.
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1-20-2011 @ 4:04PM
KTX said...It's interesting to see people automatically assume that the opposite of the "good girl" as described by Simmons ("unerringly nice, polite, modest, and selfless") is a b-word. The good girl she describes is a girl who does what she thinks is expected of her and doesn't consider herself in the process; that isn't something a parent should want for their child. All this article seems to say is that we should be more concerned with daughters being strong and comfortable with saying no and doing what is best for them instead of what is expected of them; it's not asking them to turn into raging she-beasts who hate everyone and treat them like dirt. It's possible (and healthy) to be strong, confident, and still be a kind and good person.
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1-20-2011 @ 2:09PM
Gary said...Saw this post. Had to take a glance at it. This is what is wrong with the our country and world for that matter. I am a "married" father of a 9yr old daughter and a 1 1/2yr old son and this stuff makes me want to vomit! You have these so called "experts" trying to manipulate what our kids should be more like. These "experts" are most likely people who not of any religous faith and don't have the moral standing. My wife and I sent our daughter to a Christian school the first 3yrs and the past 2yrs have been at a "decent" public school. I know she is getting older and the whole mind and body thing starts changing, but I have noticed slight differences in how she is looking at things. I blame this on the different types of other kids and enviroment she is being exposed to. The Chrisian school offered just that, Christians. Christian teachers and for the most part Christian students and parents. There were the few that just wanted to send there kids to private school because it was private and not public. Anyways, to make my too long of an explanation shorter. I believe there are certain powers that are trying so hard to convince us and our children that morals are not needed!!!
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1-20-2011 @ 5:15PM
STEVIE said...This girl is a moron. I know good girls finish first. Had a girl one time that when she was good I would not have traded her in for anything in this world. When she went bad she became worthless to me. I have had relationships with bad girls and it always ended pretty quick because bad girls are self absorbed with what they want now instead of what the payoff will be in the future. There are too few good moms now. Our country is crumbling because of this. Evidence? This book making it to print. Some young girl is going to be bad because this book tells her that being bad gives her the best chance to thrive in this world.
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1-20-2011 @ 3:57PM
Sara said...I think there is a bit of a misconception going on, and perhaps it is due to an unfortunate word choice. I have not read the book, but my impression from the article is that the author uses "good girl" to mean the pre-feminist ideals of a good girl. Those girls were often brought up to be doormats- always nice, always polite, always disclaim away one's accomplishments, and always do what everyone else wants (put yourself last).
The problem with the *historical* image of a good girl is that she never learns assertiveness or how to live life for herself or how to think for herself. For a long time, I was this definition of a good girl, and to a certain extent I still am. However, I am now learning how to weed out the unhealthy parts and keep the traits that serve me and those around me.
To sum it up, deviating from the author's definition of a "good girl" does NOT make one a bad girl or a b***h. It just means you have a spine.
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1-20-2011 @ 3:08PM
T. Burniston said...That is the biggest crock of horse pucky I've ever read!!!
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