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Boy, 8, Arrested for 5th Time in 4 Months
Filed under: In The News, Behavior: Big Kids
Police have repeatedly been called to arrest an 8-year-old boy. Credit: Getty
It's been a busy four months.
No, this is not another Charlie Sheen story. This is all the work of an 8-year-old boy.
The Orlando Sentinel reports the child, who attends Riverside Elementary School in Orlando, Fla., spends most of his time at the school in a unit designed to help students with significant emotional or behavioral problems.
He spends the rest of the time, it seems, with police.
Arrested on March 1 for the fifth time since November, the newspaper reports, the boy spent the next three days in juvenile detention.
His rap sheet would make young Al Capone jealous with charges as aggravated battery, criminal mischief and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.
Are these repeated field trips to the hoosegow helping?
Maybe not, school officials tell the Sentinel, but they're necessary to protect others.
The problems allegedly began Nov. 10 when, according to the newspaper, police responded to reports of the boy assaulting a teacher and spitting on a another adult.
"Take me to jail!" he allegedly demanded. Police obliged.
Calls to police are a last resort and are made only when "the student gets so unruly and out of control," Ron Pinnell, a senior school administrator in Orlando, tells the Sentinel. "It's not something they take lightly. You have to think through it."
This might be the end of the line for the boy -- at least at Riverside. His mother, through the Orange County Public Defender's Office, tells the Sentinel her son will not be returning to school.
Some people fault school officials for the way they have handled the situation, the newspaper reports.
Robert Wesley, an Orange County public defender, tells the Sentinel he has taken the case personally because his younger brother has a disability and sometimes lashes out.
"Why aren't we dealing with this more holistically? Why are we dealing with it the way we deal with an adult who has hit somebody or damaged some property?" he asks the newspaper.
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ReaderComments (Page 2 of 13)
3-04-2011 @ 8:20PM
Frankie Foster said...I didn't read it as he had a disability but that the lawyer said he took the case because his brother had a disability. Some one has to take responsibility of the childs behavior so he doesn't hurt someone else and that he has to learn that his behavior is unexceptable.
3-04-2011 @ 9:09PM
Karen said...THANK YOU!
3-04-2011 @ 9:36PM
MoxeeGirl said...Kat - the part I referred to may be at the beginning, but it DOES imply that the child suffers a disability. Being personally familiar with the way special education works - and it is mandated on the FEDERAL level - from my *own* 8 year boy with social & emotional issue, I am quite confident in the accuracy of my comment.
Unlike some other commenters, I do not think it is entirely fair that the public school system carries the burden of providing all the necessary services for disabled children - especially those with social, emotional, and behavioral issues. If this child is having such a hard time in this environment, his parents really need to look into other options. For his safety as well as that of the other students.
3-04-2011 @ 9:56PM
Chef Gary said...This is not the schools fault. The schools job is to educate the students. Its there job to teach and the parents job is to parent. Kids need structure just like everything on this planet. Without structure it would be chaos. That sound alot like the whole planet. I gues everyone needs structure.
3-05-2011 @ 7:12AM
pame said...i agree then i think he might have been born like that like alot of bad people are and parents have nothing to do with it and cant help him, u c great people and great parents but there kids can b born mean and killers and has nothing to do with parents the police need to think about things like that and put him some were he cant hurt people
3-05-2011 @ 2:26AM
Pamela said...i agree then i think he might have been born like that like alot of bad people are and parents have nothing to do with it and cant help him, u c great people and great parents but there kids can b born mean and killers and has nothing to do with parents the police need to think about things like that and put him some were he cant hurt people
4-24-2011 @ 10:17AM
George said...The next NBA star!
3-03-2011 @ 4:52PM
charlotte7224 said...As some one who's worked in school districts; & been directly involved; let me tell you, as school staff we are SEVERELY limited (by law) in how we can handle violence directed at us! Thanks to an extremely litigious society that seeks to sue at every opportunity; even when the fault is not there; there are so many restrictions in place it is impossible to do the job effectively. And before some know-it-all (who's never been in the position) starts spouting; there are many; many instances where the staff get hurt & have no recourse. Personally; I have been bitten scratched, severely; had my nose & jaw cracked; (following a head butt) & more; trust me; we don't get paid for this abuse; but are expected to take it as part of the job; because the administrators who run the districts are terrified to deny parents/children into the district; (& who really should not be in public schools) because of the dangers of being sued.
The problem does not lie with the staff; but society in general; who refuse to accept that there really are situations in which regardless of outcome; a lawsuit does not "fix" the problem. And not everyone is "entitled" to everything just because they breathe air!!
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3-04-2011 @ 1:01PM
SirGalton said...Well said!
3-04-2011 @ 2:36PM
wtilton67 said...The problem that no one wants to take on is that the ones that should be able to respond to the little shet @ss can't because of the law. I would say it starts with parents that divorce because the kids start understanding that they can get away with stuff because one parent wants the kid to like them over the other. I still think that parents divorced or not should tear their little @ss up to where that can't sit. It worked years ago and it will still work no matter what some BS social worker tries to say. The school should also have permission from the parents to tear those Little @ss' up in school when they are disruptive. Have a video going that clearly shows the kid doing what is wrong and show to the kid and then let the kid have it. Deterrence will work if you make the pain the consequence of the kid doing wrong. The kid needs to remember the pain that they will get for doing something wrong. I know that this may not sound PC, but just think years ago it was PC and there was a lot less little Shetz getting away with stuff and they turned out fine.
3-04-2011 @ 3:02PM
Kat said...wtilton67 are you sure your generation turned out fine? Every 15 seconds a woman gets beaten! Violence begets violence!
3-04-2011 @ 3:54PM
SirGalton said...I agree, violence begets violence. So many families raise their child under the philosophy that if someone hits you, hit them back harder, instead of teaching assertiveness and when its acceptable to defend yourself, not retaliate.
However, some kids need an old fashioned "whooping". You have to be careful though of course. The problem is, which I have seen countless times, is that children have no respect for adults, they disrespect them verbally and physically, all because they know the adult can not touch them. I have also seen many cases where families lived in fear because the child realized he could manipulate the system, with false accusations of physical or sexual abuse. The kids are then free to do whatever they want, sometimes even threatening to have their little brother taken away by protective services. Our system is definitely going in the wrong direction, wtilton is correct there.
3-04-2011 @ 4:04PM
Jackie Butler said...wtilton67 I so beg to differ with you! I got the crap beat out of me physically by both parents and when they were too tired they shot me down with words. So I decided when I became a parent that I wouldn't hit my kids. Guess what? MINE were the wee ones at the playground and parties who were very well behaved-so well to the point other parents who knew me would whisper " they are so good and she doesn't even WHOOP them!! " Mine were the kids in school who got great grades and who had that " thing " where every freaking kid in school liked them even if they had friends who didn't like each other! Now mine are the guys who are in college getting good grades and have a social life and so many friends you can't count and both have great jobs and wonderful girlfriends and still take the time out for their old 46 year old Mom to do some yard work or sit down for Sunday pasta every week! The point here is not to brag-frankly I wonder every day how such a loser as me could have made a couple of great kids as they and no-it wasn't their Dad, who WAS also beaten as a kid. And in turn put me in the hospital a few times until the day he decided to hit our oldest who was 5-THAT is what snapped me out of the abuse I was told I deserved! The jerk was divorced from all of us within 30 days. In a long winded way I just want to tell you that beating begets beatings, and words hurt even more. This kid wasn't born bad-something at home ( someONE at home ) is frustrating him to the point where the only place he feels he CAN lash out is a place he is NOT being abused at. I Pray they all get help and you get help too. Violence solves nothing.
3-04-2011 @ 4:43PM
Tanya said...Very well said... this day and age, everyone is going to point the finger at anyone but who is really responsible for the kids... and that would be the PARENTS... My daughter is not of school age yet, but she does go to day care. I certainly hope she never has to face kids with issues like these, but she will be taught to respect the teachers and the administrators, and if there is an issue, it will be talked through until a solution can be found! I so respect anyone who works in our school systems, because I know it is not easy... and I know I wouldn't want to do it. But clearly, this mother of this child is looking for someone to blame, rather than sucking it up and getting this child the help that he clearly needs. I'm so sick of people that don't take responsibility. As someone else pointed out, many of these children have a "disability" so their parents can get that government money... sorry, it's sad, but it is so true and it's unfortunately for those kids because they have no chance in life.
3-20-2011 @ 11:31AM
tamarya said...Not too mention there are so many laws in place protecting children, even if a child does this to a parent, a parent needs to stand and take it because if the parent does not stand and take it,and puts the child in their place then you have child abuse charges. To me no parent or teacher needs to put up with this behavor,but I think a good old fashioned punishment is what this child needs,not jail. A good crack on his arse will be less emotional scarring for this kid than jail will be.
3-04-2011 @ 2:23PM
jen said...It seems like ignorant fools LOVE to give teachers advice. One minute, it's "Don't you dare yell at or lay a hand on my child! You should be fired and have your teaching certification taken away!" and the next it's, "Why are you letting your students get away with this behavior? You should have handled the situation! You are an incompetent teacher, and you should be fired and have your teaching certification taken away!"
Well, folks, which is it? You want us to educate your children, but if we do that, they may not score highly on standardized tests. You want us to baby-sit your children and teach them how to behave, but we run the risk of getting sued or fired for disciplining them.
Teachers just can't win!
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3-04-2011 @ 2:32PM
Grace said...If ever a child was crying out for help, this 8 year old is. His problems should never have been put in the legal system, but in the hands of expert child psychiatrists. Are we really becoming a police state? Are we helping this child by having the (scary monsters we see on TV) POLICE ARRESTING him? Are these people perpertuating this abominatiion insane??
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3-04-2011 @ 3:12PM
mike hylton said...psychologist= i create a problem so i can treat a problem,,, darn funny i dont remember any misbehaving kids like this when i was 8yrs old/ 1959/ if they misbehaved they got their asses whipped regardless if it was home or school and the so called problem went away,, but in this oh so kind gentlier p.c. world we live in we let these brats get away with it,, what a joke the country has become
3-04-2011 @ 2:37PM
aclark said...I think it should also be pointed out that the article only mentions the child's mother...NOT his father. As a single mother of two children, a girl (3) and a boy (6), the older of which has been diagnosed as ADHD, I can tell you that the omission of the child's father, likely from his life as well as the article, is most probably part of the issue. My son went through a stage at 4.5 years old where he was so angry about his family falling apart, that he displayed many of the same behavior issues (although not severe enough for police involvement) as the child in this story. I worked at the daycare he attended and often had to leave my post to deal with him. I got him in to a child behavioral counselor (whom he sees regularly to his day) and moved him to another daycare. It has been a LONG road, and this school year we did start him on some mild, non-stimulant ADHD meds. Between the therapy sessions and small amount of medication, my son is one of the sweetest kids you will ever meet. He recently over-heard a story on the news talking about budget cuts in the local school district. He was so concerned that he smuggled $29.00 to school with him, "because the nurse wont get paid!"
All that to say, that with perserverance, not giving in to bad behavior, a good child counselor, and personal sacrifice there IS hope! Even for one such as this child...To his mom: DONT EVER GIVE UP! Whenever he does anything good, no matter how small or seemingly insignificant, tell him you are PROUD of him! Don't let him believe that this is all he will ever be!
In closing, I would like to recommend a resource that has been invaluable to me: Loving Our Kids on Purpose, By Danny and Sheri Silk. They also have phpforum. lovingonpurpose (dot) com that is an advice forum for parents. This has been SO helpful, inspiring, and life changing for me as a single mom, and my kids, who are now being loved on purpose and being taught through the love & logic methods taught by Danny and Sheri Silk.
God Bless!
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3-04-2011 @ 9:09PM
Karen said...And parents like you are the reason our nations kids fare worse than any other developed nation on the planet! Our kids feel great about themselves for NOTHING! For accomplishing NOTHING. There was a study awhile back that showed that American children felt the best about themselves,and yet had accomplished the LEAST>Madam,you have it BACKWARDS. If you expect nothing,you get nothing. Praise a child when he earns it,not just because he woke up,for God's sake. You parents make me want to puke. ADHD. How about a brat? Does that sound better? Your kids will be on the welfare rolls someday,because their mommy praised them everyday for nothing,and so they believed the world revolved around them,even though they hadn't done anything! You are crippling your kids emotionally by that method.