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"Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin." -- Deuteronomy 24:16
Maybe, but don't go pulling that Deuteronomy stuff in Alaska, California or Florida. Your kid messes up in those states, and you're gonna fry!
The New York Times reports lawmakers in Alaska and California have new laws on the books to visit the price of tardiness, absenteeism and other sins of the child upon the parent. The Florida Legislature is considering cracking down on parents, as well.
Just take a look at standardized test scores and graduation rates. What do all the "best" schools have in common? They have involved parents.
Ah, but how do you motivate parents to get involved, you ask? There are a lot of complicated answers to that question, but the easiest one is to borrow a page from Sister Mary Dominatra over at Our Lady of Perpetual Discipline and take a few rulers to the right knuckles.
Or, perhaps the sting of fines, parenting classes and other acts of penance.
Hear that fiendish chortling in the distance? The Times reports it could be coming from teachers, happy to see the bony finger of judgment point in another direction for a change.
They're feeling a mite persecuted lately, The Times reports, with Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker declaring open warfare on his state's teachers' union and politicians across the land slamming teachers for underachieving students.
Now, The Times reports, politicians are turning their hairy eyeballs on parents.
"Any kind of problem in an academic setting, and people blame the teachers," Indiana state Rep. Linda Lawson tells the newspaper. "They say things like 'If teachers were more responsive, didn't have the summers off, worked an eight-hour day.' But no one looks at the parents."
Well, they're looking now.
Lawson introduced a bill requiring parents to spend three hours each semester volunteering either in the school building or at a school-related function. She framed it as an anti-bullying measure, even though it would apply to all parents, not just the parents of bullies.
She tells The Times she wants to increase parent-teacher interaction.
"Teachers were telling us: 'We can only do so much in the classroom. We have no control over what happens with these kids at home,' " Florida state Rep. Kelli Stargel tells The Times.
Her remedy? Grade parents on their involvement in their kids' education, then post their grades on the kids' report cards. Uh-oh. Looks like someone may get his Xbox taken away. Sorry, Dad. Sucks being you.
Grading parents. Yeah, that ought to boost teachers' popularity.
"We don't feel that the teacher having to grade the parent is really going to improve that relationship," Cindy Gerhardt, the president of the Florida Parent-Teacher Association, tells The Times.
Alaska doesn't bother with grading parents. It hits them where they live -- right in the wallet. Parents get fined when their kids are habitually tardy or absent. And parents in California can face misdemeanor criminal charges for similar offenses.
Americans love to punish people, Diane Ravitch, an education historian and the author of "The Death and Life of the Great American School System," tells The Times.
"If we could just find the right person to punish," she says. "Punish the teachers. Punish the parents. It's Dickensian. What we should be doing instead is giving a helping hand."
Jesus might agree with that. From John 9:1-3:
"As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him: 'Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?' Jesus answered, 'It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him.' "
Modern translation: "Geez, why do you people always have to have someone to blame?"
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ReaderComments (Page 1 of 10)
5-23-2011 @ 3:44PM
Jan said...I believe the quote, "It takes a village to raise a child" rings true in almost every educational situation. As a teacher for 33 years, presently at the 3rd grade level, I will take the "rap" for some of my students' failure. However, I can't control what happens in the lives of my students when they are not with me. I teach in a school where parental support is not always a priority. This, in part, is due to parents who are just trying to survive....I get that. Please, however, don't make me completely responsible for the failure of a child, or poor test scores when children don't have the support at home to do homework, read outside of school, or practice math facts...etc. etc. The only other comment I'd like to make is in reference to the "If teachers were required to work an 8 hour day....." comment. Drive by my school any night, or any weekend, and you will see MANY cars of teachers working and putting in much past an 8 hour day...this doesn't include what goes home to work on every night....and, no...we don't get paid overtime for that...or for the money we put into our classrooms. Dedicated teachers do those things....One last thing...A question I pose to those who think being a teacher is such a piece of cake...Then why didn't you go into teaching????
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5-23-2011 @ 4:31PM
geekie0ne said...Because some of us are police officers, firemen, doctors, in the armed forces and all other jobs that are not "a pice of cake" So why didnt you become a police officer or something other than a teacher? That comment just shows the negative attitude of some self entitlement teachers think they have a monoply on that follows through right down to the students. ok so now blame the parents.. nice.
BTW some of us parents cant help our children with math, english , science.. alot do not have the education to do so we dont know the subject to help the children, but isnt that your job?
5-23-2011 @ 4:42PM
flyspech said...I awoke with an extreme intolerance for the school system and left teaching.
5-23-2011 @ 5:15PM
scott said...The problem with the "lack of support" you teachers like to cite is that you don't "do the work" in class any more. You send it home, which cuts into family time and the development of other parts of the kids' lives. It's unfair to have kids going home every night with hours worth of work from 3 or more classes. YOU of all people should be addressing that with the administrators of you school. This problem is the result of an explosion of immigration and the refusal to learn English (and I'm not just thinking of Mexican people).
5-23-2011 @ 5:55PM
giveme A brake said...I believe the teachers comment is true as well as all the replys. All of them. English is a big factor in the classroom. I saw entire classrooms dedicated to teaching english in k - 6th while English speaking kids were taught by teachers aids. I experienced teachers who were just burned out and didnt really care anymore. I saw papers come back graded when they were eligible and in parent conference meetings, i was told the handwriting was awful but the teacher still accepted the paper....I also saw teachers go far beyond what was expected of them. I saw with my own eyes, a parent bring their child to class in her pajamas as well as the PARENT and the staff send them both home with a lecture. The problem with the school system is not simple and there is no one thing to fix. You have to make the teachers accountable for their failings but you have to make the parents accountable for theirs. My very own sister in law who was PRESIDENT of the PTA announced at a family dinner that her oldest, 11th grader, would not be given the SAT becuz she was failing high school and maybe wouldnt even graduate. My neice was embarrassed and crying. My response was...."didnt you open her report cards? how could you not know your daughter is failing when you are the president of the PTA???" it is NOT just the teachers. It is NOT just the parents. It is NOT just the child. It is everyone involved.
5-24-2011 @ 11:29AM
Mhazue said...There is only so much a teacher can do in one class period, especially if the school is on a regular 6 or 7 classes a day schedule. Then, you only have like an hour per class in which there is no time to give a student homework and really explain it to them. I had this schedule in middle school, and in high school we had a block schedule day: 8 total classes, 4 classes a day. It can either be 4 classes per semester or 4 classes a day, alternating. With the block schedule we would always have time after the lesson for the teacher to assign our homework and we would be able to work on it some so that we could ask the teacher questions and understand the homework better.
Personally, I think students would benefit from both the block schedule and help from the parents to make sure they actually do their homework and whatnot. I think someone complained about teachers sending work home, which I don't understand. Kids need homework so they can not only learn the material better, but so they can learn how to do research and other stuff by themselves. They'll end up doing it later in life anyway, whether it's in college or when they have their own home. It's another way to prepare them for the real world.
5-23-2011 @ 8:45PM
JJ said...I agree with the quote "It takes a village to raise a child" also. However, the village is not limited to school officials and parents. Politicians, businesses, and the entertainment industry have a role as well. True, parents and teachers have the majority of the responsibility when educating our children. But the other sectors of society have to own up to the role they play as well. It is not a matter of whom to blame, but how we can collaborate to ensure that our children receive the best possible education. Let’s keep pointing fingers and getting nowhere, and see how we get left behind by the rest of the industrialized world.
5-23-2011 @ 8:53PM
Darin said...Pretty funny! Last I heard we sent kids TO SCHOOL to learn! We PAY YOU to do the job so we can work and pay OUR bills. I can tell ya that I have not been kept abreast of not one single thing my child has done, been invited to or awarded this year! Which is his first year in a U.S. school. Yep! The work he comes home with to do for homework he has NO idea about because he hasn't seen it before in class. Last time I checked TEACHING these subjects is supposed to be a teacher's JOB! BUT, my wife and I find our selves night after night trying to explain to our child what it is he is supposed to be doing. The "finished work" he brings home that he has done in class is a bunch of cut out pictures, drawings or whatever. The end of the school year was last week, THANK GOD! I guess I am going to have to send my child back to Dominican Republic ( A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY) to get a good education since my extremely high property tax (which 2/3 of the bill goes strait to the school system) and all these lottery funds aren't enough to get my child a decent education or teachers that give a s*#!t about the job they chose to do. Yep! Keep "teaching" to a test America, dig that hole deeper! I just hope I am dead and gone before any of these children make it to adulthood and start running this country with no clue.
5-24-2011 @ 2:29AM
meiling said...also the kids himself want it is most important,if they dont want it,it is hard to teach them,my son is that kind case,I can teach him in every subject,math,science,english,but everytime i try to correct his mistake he made on math,teach him how to analize math questions,he is so unwilling to,eager to go back to his computer game or watch youtube.
5-23-2011 @ 2:23PM
Helen Umphrey said...I think this has been coming for a long while..You'd be surprised at the parents that take NO interest in twhat their kids are doing in school. If the teacher is doing the right thing but the parents not caring, they're fighting a losing battle. What the teacher is trying to teach your child in school, should be followed thru by the parents at home!!
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5-23-2011 @ 2:33PM
Mary K. Levy said...I agree that today's parents seem to have missed some important qualities, like common sense that everybody automatically got back in the earlier days. Also, kids weren't worshipped, they were loved, and raised to be productive citizens mostly. We raised our kids differently because we wanted them to have everything we may not have had. But it backfired, and now, kids have no respect, no common sense, no empathy, and what's worse, they have more tools to create problems with the Internet and technology that is available now. It is okay to disrespect everybody no matter who they are or what the circumstances. I guess we don't respect ourselves, or we wouldn't allow this.
5-23-2011 @ 2:47PM
paul from nd said...The problem is too few teachers really want the parent involved. Schools talk a good line when it comes to parent involvement but when one wants to become involved they put barriers in the way. The only real involvement they want is fi9nancial.
5-23-2011 @ 5:32PM
Teresa said...It's about time! It's not that schools and teachers don't want parents involved - they just want them involved in good ways. You don't have to go to school and make a nuisance out of yourself to be involved: you just have to ask your child what homework he/she has, whether s/he needs help, what happened in school today (and ask specifics, not just "DId you have a good day today?").
We're involved, but hands off parents. We don't do our children's homework for them, like other parents we know. That teaches them nothing. However, if they need help, don't understand something, or have questions, they know they can come to us.
One of the biggest differences I think that are in schools today is that parents don't back up the teachers. Can't tell you how many times I've heard parents say that their child's teacher has it in for them. How about your child's a poop, and his/her teacher knows it? How about your child is causing problems in class and MY child can't learn anything because the entire day is spent on keeping your darling from injuring himself or others?
About time they made parents responsible!! If you don't want to be accountable for your child's actions, either don't have them or keep them in line!!
5-23-2011 @ 3:29PM
Rosemary said...I agree parents should certainly be involved in their childs education. With that said, how come the schools frown on parents who want to know what the schools are teaching and why.
If you are a parent who doesn't want your child learning all the extra crap they teach they don't want your input, how about schools teaching the 3 R's and leave the morality to the family
5-23-2011 @ 5:07PM
Pam said...Please don't blame only the teachers for what is taught. Your state Board of Education decides what should be taught and at what grade. Your school and teachers have some flexibility as to how the material will be taught.
5-23-2011 @ 4:50PM
lively said...Sorry, but I AM an involved parent, and I had been told for 6 years that I am being TOO over involved, and that my children need to develop naturally...that is, until I FINALLY found a teacher who listened to my concerns, evaluated my sons, and TOOK THE STEPS THAT I HAD BEEN REQUESTING FOR THE PRIOR 6 YEARS. My children, who have had the benefit of EXCELLENT parental involvement, up to the point of actually almost homeschooling them because they were not being taught in school, are now struggling to "catch up" to the classmates they should have been in line with all along...
so, although I have the UTMOST respect for any in the teaching profession, NOT ALL of them are as dedicated as we'd like them to be as teachers (at least matching our dedication as parents).
5-23-2011 @ 6:20PM
raymondgirl said...I TOTALLY agree!! There are so many parents who think they have to do nothing to raise their children and its the teachers responsiblity to teach math, ethics, morals etc., I feel bad for the kids who have no one to help them or ask questions of regarding their homework or the parents who have no idea what theyre doing in school. My sons school has a website where you can see daily announcements, kids assignments, and grades posted daily. You can inquire about their assignments and even see if they are not turning in assignments. Its sad that parents are too busy attending personal meetings, getting massages, or going out to dinner to take the time to notice whats going on with their kids. Then they get upset with the child when the report card comes out and they are failing classes when if they paid attention during the semester they would see and get involved. It's sad some people can't have children, what's even sadder is the ones who have them and what them to raise themselves.
5-23-2011 @ 6:18PM
raymondgirl said...I TOTALLY AGREE!!!!!
5-24-2011 @ 2:22PM
Carey said...Absolutely! Parents are partly (50%) to blame when a child fails. Unfortunately, 95% of these parents take no interest in their child's education, most parents are only concern with their child being in the "in crowd", in the latest fashion or play some sport, consequently the child fails. Parents must reinforce what the child learns on a daily basis, not just ask them "did you get homework?...go do it". These "new age" parents don't give a damn and leave it all up to the teachers which is wrong on every level.
5-23-2011 @ 6:23PM
Trying to Keep my kids afloat said...As a single Mom of a Teen boy and Pre-Teen girl, I know first hand how hard it is to keep on top of all that's happening. However I continue to do so. In my eyes the Public school system has let allot of the children down.
There is no academic Growth in most children today because there is no time for social growth within the school system these days. Children are bombarded with loads of school work every day & night and cant even make Football Practice or Cheerleading because Moms like myself make sure all homework is completed before bed time...... Yut oh if that's the case they can forget about all the afterschool activities..... Now I can be on top of my children and check through there homework when done, but how am I to know the assignment being shown is what was assigned. I make it a point at the beginning of the school year to get all subject teachers email address's and check in regularly. However when a problem arises how is a parent to correct it or help solve the situation if your not getting responses from the Teachers in a timely matter. You cant call or email 3 months down the line to tell me your child has not be participating in class or handing in HW assignments....Really!!!!!!Granted Teachers you go home to grade papers and all that other stuff, but I as well go home to cook, clean, review homework and still try to spend quality family time that children so need and deserve. I just feel that we all have to work together and our children will and can succeed.