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"Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin." -- Deuteronomy 24:16
Maybe, but don't go pulling that Deuteronomy stuff in Alaska, California or Florida. Your kid messes up in those states, and you're gonna fry!
The New York Times reports lawmakers in Alaska and California have new laws on the books to visit the price of tardiness, absenteeism and other sins of the child upon the parent. The Florida Legislature is considering cracking down on parents, as well.
Just take a look at standardized test scores and graduation rates. What do all the "best" schools have in common? They have involved parents.
Ah, but how do you motivate parents to get involved, you ask? There are a lot of complicated answers to that question, but the easiest one is to borrow a page from Sister Mary Dominatra over at Our Lady of Perpetual Discipline and take a few rulers to the right knuckles.
Or, perhaps the sting of fines, parenting classes and other acts of penance.
Hear that fiendish chortling in the distance? The Times reports it could be coming from teachers, happy to see the bony finger of judgment point in another direction for a change.
They're feeling a mite persecuted lately, The Times reports, with Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker declaring open warfare on his state's teachers' union and politicians across the land slamming teachers for underachieving students.
Now, The Times reports, politicians are turning their hairy eyeballs on parents.
"Any kind of problem in an academic setting, and people blame the teachers," Indiana state Rep. Linda Lawson tells the newspaper. "They say things like 'If teachers were more responsive, didn't have the summers off, worked an eight-hour day.' But no one looks at the parents."
Well, they're looking now.
Lawson introduced a bill requiring parents to spend three hours each semester volunteering either in the school building or at a school-related function. She framed it as an anti-bullying measure, even though it would apply to all parents, not just the parents of bullies.
She tells The Times she wants to increase parent-teacher interaction.
"Teachers were telling us: 'We can only do so much in the classroom. We have no control over what happens with these kids at home,' " Florida state Rep. Kelli Stargel tells The Times.
Her remedy? Grade parents on their involvement in their kids' education, then post their grades on the kids' report cards. Uh-oh. Looks like someone may get his Xbox taken away. Sorry, Dad. Sucks being you.
Grading parents. Yeah, that ought to boost teachers' popularity.
"We don't feel that the teacher having to grade the parent is really going to improve that relationship," Cindy Gerhardt, the president of the Florida Parent-Teacher Association, tells The Times.
Alaska doesn't bother with grading parents. It hits them where they live -- right in the wallet. Parents get fined when their kids are habitually tardy or absent. And parents in California can face misdemeanor criminal charges for similar offenses.
Americans love to punish people, Diane Ravitch, an education historian and the author of "The Death and Life of the Great American School System," tells The Times.
"If we could just find the right person to punish," she says. "Punish the teachers. Punish the parents. It's Dickensian. What we should be doing instead is giving a helping hand."
Jesus might agree with that. From John 9:1-3:
"As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him: 'Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?' Jesus answered, 'It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him.' "
Modern translation: "Geez, why do you people always have to have someone to blame?"
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ReaderComments (Page 5 of 10)
5-23-2011 @ 5:15PM
Ian said...When my kids were in public school the teachers DID NOT want parents around. phone conversations were not allowed, face to face meetings involved teacher, parent a principle and school counsler all being free on same date/time.. actually getting in the building required a shake down, an ID check, and that was just the office- classrooms were waaay off limits. We are in souther MIssissippi - not a big town- so its crazy
5-23-2011 @ 4:09PM
robert allain jr. said...its about time some one holds the parent responsible , but on the same hand , its illegall to punish spank your child . i dont have kids for this reason. if i cant punish them / spank when all other forms of disipline have failed, then i might as well just let the state deal with it and take the child.
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5-23-2011 @ 3:59PM
MeeshaLin said...I'm a single mother of a 7 year old whos in 2nd Grade.
I have to agree that the parents do need to get involved BUT it HAS to be on a case by case basis. Not every family has a stay-at-home-mom or dad. Both parents work and as one mother said she also goes to school.
I can't imagine how hard that must be and then be expected to volunteer at school. It's just not possible for a lot of parents.
Parents can only be accounted for doing the best they can do to help their kids with homework and or volunteering at school.
As for being absent and late for school, obviosly if it's a consistant thing than a meeting would be scheduled with the teacher and parent/s to find out what might be the problem.
Teahcers can only do so much as well, and they are doing a terrific job ( I can only speak for my sons school and the teachers he's involved with).
Teachers become teachers because they WANT to teach! Plain and simple.
I know there are some bad teachers out there just like there are some bad cops, and some bad parents, but we cannot blame all for a few bad apples.
As for fining the parent's, that's completly outrageous! Be real here, families are losing their homes, jobs. That in itself is stressfull and trying to keep your family happy through tough times is really hard. Why put EXTRA stress upon parents? Come-on!
Stop wasting time on blaming everyone and focus on stopping these banks from ruining our lives and stealing our homes! Does anyone even realize what THAT does to a child? Children need stability and these banks stripped that from thousans of kids! Get our money and our homes back, then take a look at the test scores.
Thank You,
MeeshasLin
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5-23-2011 @ 3:58PM
Mike said...If the parents don't care about their kids, then just take the kids away from them and put them up for adoption and forbid the parents from ever having a child again. Take away their opportunity to breed. If they can't take care of theirselves, then how are they going to take care of a child?
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5-23-2011 @ 3:56PM
VimalaNowlis said...American parents complain about their children have "too much homework and no play time". And American parents rarely sit down with their children to help them with the homework. Why are American then surprised their children cannot compete with children from other parts of the world? The traditional American cure is to throw money at the problems. Schools and teachers are demanding more money for smaller classes. Parents are demanding more extracurricular activities. No one is thinking innovatively or look at the system. Take a look at other countries and see how their schools are structured and how their parents behave and try to learn something!
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5-23-2011 @ 3:57PM
Flyspech said...Are you kidding? Starting the artical with an Old Testiment Biblical quote; when did they forget there is a prohibition against the Bible and Christianity in the public school system?
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5-23-2011 @ 4:06PM
Linda said...Why doesn't anyone hold a pen or a pencil properly anymore? No matter who you see writing these days, they hold their pen or pencil by contorting their fingers in a ridiculous way! Look at the pictures on the internet........or on TV..........or on internet videos. It's unbelievable! What ever happened to teaching your kid how to write? Then again, the parents don't know any better these days. Everything is just so broken........down to the smallest of things.
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5-24-2011 @ 5:05PM
isisreptiles said...What difference does it make how someone holds a pen or pencil? I remember having a teacher who tried to force me to write holding the pencil the "correct" way. I couldn't write that way. Yet I could write just fine holding the pencil in a way that was comfortable for me. To this day--50 years later--I still cannot write holding a pencil "correctly". Yet I manage to have very legible writing holding the pencil my way. This kind of rigid, nitpicky crap is part of what's so wrong with the schools.
5-23-2011 @ 3:59PM
Flyspech said...Are you kidding? Starting the artical with an Old Testiment Biblical quote; when did they forget there is a prohibition against the Bible and Christianity in the public school system?
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5-23-2011 @ 4:10PM
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5-23-2011 @ 4:04PM
Scott said...I had a problem once in math in High School. It was Algebra, and the teacher I had totally sucked. I hated when she said shalep the decimal to the right, why could she just say move it to the right. Anyway that really wasn't the reason, she just sucked at teaching the class. I gave up cause she had no time to help after she taught it and I said screw it, I just handed in the paper without even trying, she just looked at me and didnt even help me. Here is the kicker, I had algebra again for the second year and this guy named Zuliwits was awsome, he would walk around the class room and actually take time out to each student and had many ways to try and apply it to others that did not understand it, whether its the first, second, or third time. I actually got exempt from taking the exam my score was a 97 average as oppose to that horrible teacher that my grade was a 25. So, I have been waiting to make a comment about this and I feel that you may get a degree in teaching, but just cause you know how to do it does not mean you know how to apply it to others and if you can not get at least 50% of your class to pass, you should not be driving a BMW, you should be driving a PINTOE. Also you make too much money and you need to go back to college to learn how to apply it to your students...bottom line. There should be no need for after school teaching, that is just a way of wasting tax payers money, so the full time teachers can have it easy. I know they teach a lot of kids, but understand this you need pass your class at least 50%, now I know why my teachers were nervous about someone coming in to evaluate them, it was cause they needed to see if they can teach, well I should of just stood up in class and have been honest and said this teacher sucks and can no apply it to her students. Thats what I should of did. So please understand mothers and fathers do not get paid to teach there kids, teachers get paid top dollar to teach, so I beleive its there responsiblity, not the parents, the parents can help out and also tell there kids to be good and pay attention in class, but if that is what they do, you can no blame the parents, its just plain and simple the teacher can not apply it...end of story. Thank god that there are some teachers out there that are good at applying the lessons in other ways so students can get it, should not matter how long it takes. I think the teacher should get evaluated by there students, so when the person comes in, they can actually ask us how their teacher is doing and if she or he is applying it well enough to understand. I said enough hope you all feel the same, that are not teachers. Good day.
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5-23-2011 @ 4:06PM
Sheri Roy said...I am 64 years old. Growing up all I ever wanted to be was a wife, a mother and I wanted to stay home, raise my children and keep the house going. That was my career. Thank you Gloria Steinem for making us feel guilty for wanting that. Houses had to be bigger, kids all had to have thier own room, we had to keep up with the Jones forcing mothers to go to work to keep the money flowing. The price we paid was having to put children into child care. Other people being responsible for bringing up their children in Heaven know's what knd of environment. Two women came to my door to sell me Encyclopedias. I told them that I understood they were doing a job but these books are out of date by the time they reach your house. And I also told them that responsibility for kids learning all these new things such as "new math"(what was wrong with the old math?). I did not go to school to become a teacher. I stayed home to take care of my kids (and other peoples kids because I became a provider). I pay taxes which pay teacher's salaries so my kids could learn what they needed in school. I know nothing about "new math" . Am I to blame? I would like to think that my choice to stay home and give my children the tools to become good adults was a good one. And my kids did great even though I did become a single parent due to a tragic accident. I am proud of my choice.
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5-23-2011 @ 4:07PM
Ericka said...This is so ridiculous. Every child is different. Out of 5 kids, I have one thats graduated so far, one that got so far behind because he didnt understand the work that he eventually got a GED, one that skims by, and two that are honor students. Is it parenting? No. If that were the case then ALL my kids would be honor students. It is simply individuality. You can help a child in school until your blue in the face, but if they dont understand it or flat out dont care, you cannot change that. Children are people, and people are individuals.
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5-23-2011 @ 4:10PM
brad said...Experts say that poverty is a factor in performance, I do not buy it. It is not the poverty itself that makes the difference. It is more correct to say that the culture of a poverty stricken community has a negative effect on children. It is well known that in certain American sub-cultures education is devalude, suspect, or even hated. But the proof that this need not ruin a child's potential is the example of a single parent in one of those communities who was so foucused on their children's educational sucess that they envolved themselves at least to the point of making their children read books and do reports on the books that were read. The result? One her sons is among the most recognized pediatric neuro urgeons in our nation. Should parents who devalue education be somehow disciplined? Yes, if we are talking about discipling them -- meaning, require mothers of kindergarten throught 2nd graders to come to school to help teach or learn along with their children to read and do simple math. Solicit businesses in the community to offer small incentives to mother's/father's who meet minimum requirements and larger incentives to parents whose child(ren) show excellence and outstanding progress in the areas of reading,
comprehension, and math. Offer grand prizes (from the business
community) for parents whose child(ren) who go beyond these
fundamentals (in science, music, community service, etc.)
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5-23-2011 @ 4:15PM
D said...I'm a single widowed Mom with two teens, a boy and a girl. One of my children has been in a Special Ed. program for the last six years and because of a united front of the school system, my child and myself my daughter will graduate highschool in a couple of weeks with a regular diploma like everyone else. I have my son in a less intense program in the same public school just to make sure he continues to do well... they are both A students. I know it takes parent involvment, school/teacher involvment and your children to make it all work.Like a puzzle... it's not complete without all of the pieces...My daughter starts college this Fall :)
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5-23-2011 @ 4:17PM
Gigi said...Yes and it's about time! Parents if you are going to bring a child into this world than wake up and realize their education is an important factor in raising them. My daughter is 6 and reading on a 4th grade level of education and she is no different than any other child. I just took the time...
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5-23-2011 @ 4:21PM
william e rauh said...It is ABOUT TIME. I only have the kid for 55 minutes....The parents have thge kid from the time they get home until they go to school the next morning. As a teacher I used to always get tired of the discipline problems and then there were parents that were irate because you got after the child for not doing practice homework at home. The child "had piano, or had dance, or had soccar"....and heaven forbid this was a hell of a site more important than homework. But at least those parents had an excuse....as pathetic as it might have been. We, on the other hand, had parents that were out drinking, running around, and did not have any idea where their children were or what they were doing. I taught one child that got on his bike and sold drugs in the middle of the street....at 12 years old. Had a little girl years ago that was prostituting herself.....at 9. Do people that are not in education HAVE ANY IDEA what teachers really have to put up with in the classroom....???? No !!
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5-23-2011 @ 7:57PM
Sheri Roy said...I'm sorry but I disagree with you. As a teacher yes you have the children for a minimal amount of time but you AS a teacher are responsible for their education. WE as parents are responsible for discipline and social skills. YOU went to college to learn to TEACH. I pay your salary so they get an education through my taxes. Do I expect you to dicipline and teach social skills? No. I expect you to take care of their learning abilities. If by the time they reach High School, they fail then it is time for them to take responsibility for themselves. I paid a professional to learn this when my son was having a problem. I did what I was told and my son eventually graduated from college with a 3.99 GPA and is now a psychologist in a school system trying to deal with ill trained teachers!
5-23-2011 @ 4:24PM
hus4154 said...Too many parents have done a poor job parenting. Kids today rarely face discipline at home for bad behavior. Too many kids have no respect for others' property, but do have a sense of entitlement. Many are just too lazy to succeed.
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6-20-2011 @ 11:46AM
Phil said...I have preached for many years that the education of my children was my responsibility. The schools are among the tools I have available to me in fulfilling this responsibility. If the schools and teachers in those schools are excellent, fulfilling my responsibility gets easier. If the schools or teachers are not good, my job gets more difficult. IN EITHER case the responsibility is MINE!!! Parents BUY A BOOK AND READ IT. Depending on the age your children read it to them, with them or while they are reading their own book.
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